kabbalisticvillage
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Posted : May 30, 2010 23:53:13
im very new to the whole trance scene and ive never really been to a seriosu festival or party except for one in israel.........but i have been hearing about a dj set and a live set and i dont really understand the difference like for example
astrix just seems to be playing his song from a computer and tweaking some knobs and that board........what the heck is he actually doing?
willsanquil
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Posted : May 31, 2010 00:17
I am not 100% sure but from looking at the video, but that board looks like a mixing desk?
I also see him playing with a synth in that he's tweaking the knobs on it...but doesn't appear to play notes on it(nord modular?)
as for the difference between DJ and live set...that's a pretty popular topic of discussion on these boards and its been gone over at length- different people have different definitions of what constitutes live vs dj sets...
For some people, the only live acts that should truly be billed as live are the ones who actually play synths/patterns over the top of the music, or play instruments of some sort...or 'live' mixing (which I would guess is what astrix is doing?)
Honestly though, 90% of the 'live acts' you will see in the psy scene (or at least that I've seen) aren't very live at all (as defined by me, anyways) and are pretty much people pressing play on a laptop and making some minor changes along the way. I have been going to psy events for the past 6 years or so and seen hundreds of sets, and probably less than 10 of them were live in that the artists actually played instruments.
However, this gets trick when you get into laptop controllerism, where you can play your software (most notably ableton live) as an instrument - that to me can be just as live or just as musically stimulating as jamming over playback. Live glitching, re-arranging, synth modulation etc...
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Posted : May 31, 2010 02:23
it looks like his just moving the knobs correspondingly to some sounds and the knob movement doesen't seem to have any affect on the sounds.
im 99% sure that he is just acting...
so to answer your question, a live set is a glorified djset where you have to do less work and more acting ( in most cases).
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Posted : May 31, 2010 09:09
fake live my dear friend!
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Posted : May 31, 2010 11:11
dj set is playing other artists music - anyone that can buy cds and count to 4 can do that
live set is to play only your original tunes with some changes - adding effects or sounds , change lines etc.
kabbalisticvillage
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Posted : May 31, 2010 12:06
does anyone actually go up there with just a bassline and kick and make a whole new song up right there?
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Posted : May 31, 2010 14:36
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On 2010-05-31 12:06, kabbalisticvillage wrote:
does anyone actually go up there with just a bassline and kick and make a whole new song up right there?
tht would be impossible considering the fact that there are so many elements in a trance track ...it wud be impossible for one or two men to recreate everything from scratch live in front of audience..
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Posted : May 31, 2010 15:19
^
I've seen some YouTube videos where people did just that - using Looper within Ableton Live. They built their track the same way many people do off-line: start with a kick, add percs , add bass etc. Then you reset Looper for a breakup - and start again. I always wondered why bother with a breakup at all (why not just produce two 4-minute tracks instead) - but that's a totally different topic...
Edit: You're right, though - it wasn't psy trance.
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Posted : May 31, 2010 15:31
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On 2010-05-31 15:19, Maine Coon wrote:
^
I've seen some YouTube videos where people did just that - using Looper within Ableton Live. They built their track the same way many people do off-line: start with a kick, add percs , add bass etc. Then you reset Looper for a breakup - and start again. I always wondered why bother with a breakup at all (why not just produce two 4-minute tracks instead) - but that's a totally different topic...
Edit: You're right, though - it wasn't psy trance.
this kind of experience is often boring to listen to.
and by the way, rock bands aren't improvising their music on stage very often...
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Posted : Jun 1, 2010 10:35
live = performance not playback
but define what entertainment and performance is. Its up to the musician or performer to grab the audiences attention.
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Posted : Jun 1, 2010 10:42
this is just another fake live, just better hidden that he´s actually doin nothin..... at the end he´s acting same like this guy here:
feel free to ask yourself what he´s doin live
wow cant tell you how much i hate the money these people get for those performences which cant be named, weither dj nor live. respect to their work, he´s a good producer and not bad in producing this style of trance music (astrix), but wow......
anyways, a lot of people out there never play live, just throw in a cd, twist some knobs which mostly are not connected to anything.
i played live in cologne a few days ago and there were two more live guys, guess what i was the only one even bringin a laptop to his gig. no way some one else had keys they trew in their cd´s, play a dj set and party themselves. another great example is the common way to arrange tracks in ableton like a dj set and play your own stuff just like a dj on your laptop. imo there´s nothin live in it. no actual tweaked knobs, rearranged stuff, live on the fly recorded sounds, thrown into your actual recreation of any track you play. no live tweaked instrument, synth whatever. so far i have seen only pretty few really live acting dudes doin great stuff. all others seem to be their very own kind of something like a .....well deedrah pest live in mexico :D
im by far never that experienced than most of these overpayed artists, but well, the audience decides.
i have to say i see myself something like an electronic music artist, a mixture between dj and live. to explain that, i use the cosm way to get my stuff arranged in ableton. so im able to rearrange on the fly, mix tracks with other elements of another track which is maybe even not finished, put in sounds, record, loop everything on the fly. but well, at the end it´s djing your own stems, loops, samples etc. the live element to me is any kind of an instrument someone is actually playin live or doin anything crazy with it. acting live, with whatever suits you. in my case this is my x-station and my blofeld with a bunch of my own sounds i play live or i just tweak new stuff on the fly, hit record, loop it, smash it, mindfuck it
so the guys above sure act a lot in these videos, anyways to me live is something different and not often seen in our genre. except on really good and big festivals, artists like cosmosis or ajja and his projects just for example are worth to call live imo. also -Z- i found to be pretty interesting. feel free to check these guys and decide yourself whats live at the end
at the end it doesnt matter what you´re doin as far the crowd is rockin your stuff.
a human beeing tweakin itself to perfection, using all it´s possibilities by two arms and ten fingers to create a fusion beetween human and machine, that´s live to me. nothing else.
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Posted : Jun 1, 2010 11:16
ohhh forgot to mention, also check that Juno Reactor live from fullmoon 2008 or the live at coronet theatre london, best LIVE i´ve seen in my entire life!!! wow ....
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Posted : Jun 1, 2010 15:42
How much "live" stuff you can do depends a lot on how your music is written and structured- I don't think a lot of people consider this. The only thing that should ever matter about a live set is that it sounds good (and isn't just the artist pressing play obviously).
Just because I do a very live experimental set doesn't automatically mean it's better than someone else who doesn't do as much live "stuff". I like giving myself the challenge of doing what I do and it forces me to practice it to make it sound good, but I don't expect everyone to do this will all of their music. There's no way I will do this when I do live psy sets.http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound www.chilluminati.org - Midwest based psytrance group
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Posted : Jun 2, 2010 12:23
True Live Act / Set:
01. have your kick / bass / percussion ready, have your efx in channels ready
02. have the main lead / chord ready and respective efx for the same in channels also ready
after that you can be very creative and actually play your whole tune live with a lot of improvisation, additional efx, additional sounds, glitching etc....
you can copy-paste existing sounds and edit them live as the track progresses in a loop. this should not be a problem at all. if you are using a MIDI keyboard its even easier.
Having 2 lines would make it easier, one for your headphone to listen to the new notes you create using your MIDI controller or just using the mouse and the other which is your main output....
I think performing LIVE for a psytrance act is not impossible. It is very much possible if you are creative enough and can multi-task.... The only problem i see is longer loops till a new one is created LIVE....
In fact this itself will be proof enough that the guy on stage is actually making music LIVE... im sure people wont mind the longer loops, lesser breaks or long buildups.....
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Posted : Jun 2, 2010 16:20
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On 2010-06-01 11:16, -=Mandari=- wrote:
ohhh forgot to mention, also check that Juno Reactor live from fullmoon 2008 (...)
Honestly?
I was there 2008 and was really eager to see Juno Reactor live for my first time. But when they played...well somehow I didn't like it that much....the things I saw on Youtube or heard elswhere before sounded far better.
Too bad they are not playing there this year so I could compare it...
( in most cases). 
