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What does Rewiring FL into Cubase achive?
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Chemogen
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Posted : Sep 17, 2007 11:42
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I use FL Studio 7 and love it, I find its workflow and automation so intuitive. Seeing as it was what I started with, I find it to the best most comfortable sequencer for me. I have Cubase SX3 and DVD tutorials, but I just find the whole workflow so totally different and hampering.
A lot of local producers swear by Cubase and reckon that I'll need to learn how to use a traditional sequencer at some point, if I become very serious about production. They also reckon that FL's sound engine is inferior to Cubase and so sound quality is worse. (This is statement I often hear, but also find a lot of reviews dismissing the stigma, saying that FL's sound engine is perfectly capable.)
If the inferior sound engine story is in fact true, would rewiring FL into Cubase then allow for Cubase to do the sound processing? What other reasons would one Rewire into Cubase for? |
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Elad
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Posted : Sep 17, 2007 12:23
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i dont think rewire will change anything
beside its bullcrap to say "fruity sound engine" like anyone actualy know what it exacly meen or how to program better one and whats wrong with FL's...
anywaz , its lie. 100%.
some say FL7 is diffrent from 6 , im on 6 now and happy. and in VA nobody ever notice the difrence , if to make blind test u see nobody realy can recognize what sequencer one used.
if anything i find FL to be x100 more intuitive and fast work and thats my instrument this days , and if u need more prooves just know many many good artist use FL  www.sattelbattle.com
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Chemogen
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Posted : Sep 17, 2007 12:39
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I think that's awesome. I love FL, I don't want to work with anything else, yet I fear that it's hard being taken seriously as a producer when using FL because of the negative stigma it has. |
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diskonekt
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Posted : Sep 17, 2007 13:11
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Noone needs to know 
Peace, Love, Death metal |
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Elad
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Posted : Sep 17, 2007 13:12
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so tell evryone u use cubase or pro-tools , they are stupid enough to think it matters so they deserve the lie , beside , no label ever asked me how i make the tracks ...
and if they do , so i say like apex twin 99% in mind , 1% on computer
just for the record some artist using fruity loops (sometime with cubase sometime not)
derango
electrypnose
texas faggott
squaremeat
reality pixie
and its all top-qualiy no worriez www.sattelbattle.com
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orange
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Posted : Sep 17, 2007 14:25
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i can give an example...
we made all our tracks in fl and been very happy and in the process and for the final product the past 5 years.
last month we decided to make a track for an upcoming va in cubase.. and so we did.
the track is done we send it to the label and we got that response... "nice track but ur previous tracks had a much more tight and punchy sound to them.."
and we tried to fix the mix again.. and still had the same response.
so finnaly we send a track that we did in fl7 and we got that response... "yeah thats it strong and punchy with a tight sound and clean production u guys rock"
thats the labels response they dont know what program we used in the tracks but its funny that we thought that cubase would make a better sound.
soo for me its like that.
we work in fl we know the program 100% we mix in it and have better resolt than in cubase.
we are not cubase amateurs i was working in cubase for many years and know it very good. but the thing is that if u know an app and can reach good resoltes.
if we where working in cubase the past 5 years and try to make a track in fl i think the resolte would be the same not bad but cubase would sound better and thats because we would know it in and out.
so work in what u know and feel comfortable all the well known apps are capable of great resoltes its all in the user and not the app.
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piXan
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Posted : Sep 17, 2007 18:39
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i used fruity loops since it started, i started using vst in it. fl is not bad. but then i overcame my fear of cubase and started a long journey to this day. every day i learn something new in cubase that amazes me. the audio editing is like nothing else . that alone makes it worth it, offline processing history etc i could go on and on and on. the point is i find cubase very straight forward and defenetely Not counterintuitive. u just have to learn and read a little. watch ASL video tutorials. then u like me , will never go back to anything less,, maybe logic.
atropa ... respect but if its ur first attempt at cubase is logically not going to sound as good as ur best tracks in FL with all the experience on it, if i make a track in Logic today of course its gonna suck, that doesnt mean cubase is better than logic , right?
cheers.
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Chemogen
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Posted : Sep 17, 2007 18:47
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I have the AskVideo Level 1, 2 and 3 DVD tutorials...Are these good for an absolute Cubase beginner?
Already the VST Connections and Device settings are confusing me. :/ |
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PoM
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Posted : Sep 17, 2007 18:51
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use what you like,sound engine is not a issu for a good or bad produced track . |
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Chemogen
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Posted : Sep 17, 2007 19:22
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What about reputation?  |
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piXan
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Posted : Sep 17, 2007 20:29
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ask video tutorials rule!!!
for begineers and advanced users alike.
also look for steinberg internal mixing video
and soundmagnus tutorials videos for cubase and plugs like battery and waves. also the new andi vax video is way cool!
i dont doubt u can make great music in FL, but for me taking the time to get deep into cubase , has really made a difference in the sound i have, i dont know if its pro or whatever, but i love it, and for some reason i think tracks made in sequencers like cubase or logic have a more 3 dimensional sound, more space and more organic feel, either that or im getting better weed these days... hehe
pd who cares about reputation? sound is all that matters! |
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bandarlog
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Posted : Sep 17, 2007 23:45
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On 2007-09-17 20:29, piXan wrote:
and for some reason i think tracks made in sequencers like cubase or logic have a more 3 dimensional sound, more space and more organic feel,
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I'd be the first to change to cubase if anyone would ever prove this. You constantly hear subjective arguments like 'feels wider' 'sounds more pro' while the only correlation I can find is the fact that better producers have already changed to cubase and logic while the great mass of FL-users consist of 90% beginners to intermediates. Now that we're at version 7 and lots of users don't feel the need to change to cubase anymore, the amount of quality FL-producers is rising drastically while no evidence with blind tests have ever seem to be made. So plz can anyone actually prove to me that cubase sounds better?
I tried cubase, liked it for some reasons and applications that are obviously way better than FL but disliked it for other reasons (speed).
To give you one example: I want to use samples. I like to browse my samples fast and drag the samples I like directly on to the 'work'screen. In FL it's drag and drop and click and play. Cubase --> pool=slow
Then I'd like to load 5 insert efx combinations of previous songs (like 7-8 efx with own parameters stacked in the right order). Then I'd like to hear what the samples sound like thru those 5 unique combinations of 8 efx to decide which one to use.
We were talking insert channels but then again my final decision is to use efx combination 4 as my main (as in: main for sample 1) insert efx channel combination but to send the sound from this combination for 30% to efx channel 3 (which is an insert or a send, as I please)
All of this should be done within 1 minute.
In FL this is possible, no problem. In cubase it seems impossible to do this within 1 minute. Well, it would bother me to work slower and not to be able to load saved efx combinations. but if the sound engine is drastically better in cubase, I might change to cubase as main sequencer (and close an eye for its buggy character) and use FL rewired (with as a downside the loss of shortcut keys that don't work in rewire again... loss of speed).
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Pinkadelic @ ciledakniP
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Posted : Sep 18, 2007 02:17
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Tsabeat is correct, dont think about sound engines etc.
all DAWs are the same.
and i do think FL is more intuitive then the rest of the DAWs. (not that i have anything against other DAWs.
Reason has an amazing routing option, Cubase has a great interface which shows you everything that's up, FL has great Automation options, etc.)
but dont think anyone will care if you use FL, or Cubase, or Nuendo or an impulse tracker, as long as your music sounds good.
and Cubase doesnt feel or sound anything more pro.
its how you manipulate the sound.
theres lots of artists with amazing sound (yes, including Fullon artists, not only suomi as lots of people think) that use FL.
and not only psy producers use FL, lots of very well known and respected house, dance, techno, DnB and IDM producers use FL.
if you think you need to change, just change, but dont do it because of quality, because FL 7 has all of the options that cubase can offer you.
chillout, produce, and stop thinking about pro or not, and always remember: All DAWs are the same, its not the DAW that makes the music, its you. the DAW just arranges it.
Peace
EDIT: i remember reading in some forum, cant remember which one, the following: why when you publish a good, good looking, intuitive, lots of features, great tech support, cheap, with amazing internal synths, people say its crap and not pro enough, but when you release a good, ugly, completely not intuitive, lots of (HIDDEN AND HARD TO FIND) features, bad tech support, expensive as hellllll, no internal synths, people say its pro, and incredible bla bla bla.
think about it -Soultech/Stampgevaar Records, Parampara Recs
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