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nick
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 20:38:57
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Hi everybody,
I am writing a book on mixing electronic music and I would love to get your input. This is a very open topic, please just tell me what things in particular or general you would like to know more about. The book is focused on principles. I go somewhat into the application of techniques but my hope is that I can help people build their own personal set of techniques based on sound principles. So please, tell me what you want to know about mixing electronic music! 
Thanks!
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 20:53
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Medea
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 23:42
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Hm... If I want to learn something about mixing or producing I'd rather ask it here =)
I have read some books about mixing and recording, and now i'm finishing a high-school on audio engineering, and all I can say is PRACTICE IS ALL YOU NEED. And, for sure, the general understanding of what you are trying to achieve.
Mixing is Volume + Pan + EQ + Compressor + Reverb\Delay, thats all. The article "EQ: Thinkin inside the box" is more than enough. The rest is practice and experience. And ears.
For me personally it's much more interesting to read books or articles about psychoacoustical issues, you can find some small useful tips and tricks there that can be used when you write and mix your music. E.g., what is the minimum time between two separate sounds before they seem to appear as one single sound, and so on.
So, psychoacoustics is what could be interesting for me.
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I think that your book should have "For Beginners" chapter, where you describe the very basics of writing electronic music. What is sequencer, what is MIDI, what is VST and so on. Such information could be very useful for me several years ago, when i didn't have internet connection and tried to write music in SoundForge =)
Hope it helps, good luck!
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Chemogen
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 23:53
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On our very first sound engineering lecture, the lecturer said "One thing you can't have in this game is an ego, all you're doing is making things louder or softer. That's it." 
Would your book cover synthesis at all? That's something I'd really like to read, a section dedicated to (preferably) software synthesis and how to master ones such as Zeta, Vanguard and Albino
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Suloo
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Posted : Apr 4, 2008 01:09
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On 2008-04-03 23:53, Chemogen wrote:
On our very first sound engineering lecture, the lecturer said "One thing you can't have in this game is an ego, all you're doing is making things louder or softer. That's it."
Would your book cover synthesis at all? That's something I'd really like to read, a section dedicated to (preferably) software synthesis and how to master ones such as Zeta, Vanguard and Albino
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there is a very good book about synthesis..its calle workshop synthesizer by ppv media..don`t know if there exist an english version..but i thing there should be comparible ones out there..there are heaps about synth programming in german language..
there is a video tutorial on how to mix electronic music by olaf basoki..its a macpro video..and its really cool..maybe you should watch videos about mixing like that and try to build up your book in a similar way..
mixing is a lot of practise.when your acoustic treatment sucks or your monitors..you will probably be not able to do great mixes for a long time..you will achieve much better results and much faster in a good sounding room.maybe take this as a part in your book and explain the problems regarding this and stuff like that..that would be really helpful for many of us..and yer..a good knowledge on using rverbs is and the other things that are mentioned before is quite essential so,yer good idea and good luck with that..  -------......-------...-..-..-..-.-.-.-.- |
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nick
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Posted : Apr 4, 2008 02:26
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On 2008-04-03 20:53, Speakafreaka wrote:
Do you mean DJ mixing, or producing?
Interesting either way
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I mean producing.
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Elad
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Posted : Apr 4, 2008 05:21
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i would like to have cds included with samples and projects and examples
better with realy great mix , not another guitar and female singer shit... real full electronic parts prefered from known respected names in few main sub-genres in electronica ,maybe glitch-chill-ambient-electro-house-trance-psy-break-core
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Apr 4, 2008 09:56
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In which case, I'd like to see.
a) a 'black ops' section involving some of the lesser known and very effective tricks you can pull using send channels on the bass, kick, etc.
b)a good guide to stem mixing.
c)numbnutts guide to setting up a good ambience 'verb and other plugins that may be interesting to have on the same channel.
d)the importance of understanding stems to getting a good mix sound, and how this interelates to song writing skills. How ultimately, its impossible to have a good mix without a well structured track.
(did I mention I think stems are really quite important )
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nick
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Posted : Apr 4, 2008 22:55
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Very interesting responses. Thanks guys! |
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Medea
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Posted : Apr 5, 2008 04:46
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Freeflow
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Posted : Apr 5, 2008 13:17
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Freeflow
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Posted : Apr 5, 2008 13:27
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And i want to know how to make the perfect mix... can you write about that? 
Maybe sheed some light on fletcher and munson..
Good ways too use sidechain...
Methods for using a tonegenerator for layering wimpy kickdrums that needs a little omph... or noise for snaredrums...
why its good to record highoutput when recording to audio...
stuff like that can always be good to write about
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UnderTow
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Posted : Apr 5, 2008 13:35
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Grrr. I hate that Wiki page. It is blatant marketing. (It is written by a mastering engineer that kind of claims he invented "stem mastering"). Just look at the reference links. They point to patents. It sucks.
It is a bullshit name by some bullshit guy trying to promote his bullshit business. Just call it making good use of busses as everyone in the industry has always called it.
Now delivering stems (as is done in the film/tv post world and sometimes for mastering) is a different thing altogether.
Sorry, had to get that off my chest.
Speakafreaka is right about arrangement being extremely important in mixing. Possibly the most important element but maybe also the hardest to explain in a book. Nick, you should definitely talk about that in your book.
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vipal
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Posted : Apr 7, 2008 02:02
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maybe tell something about using hardware mixers, eq´s and compressors, about funky expensive things like ssl´s en neves´s etc. but also about cheaper stuff like the mackie mixers, lets say about 700 and less dollars hardware stuff.
and offcourse software, explain about the waves limiters, sonnox stuff, and other popular software limiting/mastering tools.
but do it in detail, with kind of manual aproach, basic principles need to be turned into practicalities with numbers etc.
maybe put on the dvd or cd that comes with the book some material to check things out, like files that anybody can put in its sequencer and play with the given sounds and presets.
i would buy that book. |
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Elad
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Posted : Apr 7, 2008 02:19
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anyway i think cd or usb will have to be added with samples otherwise its useless all together , one use 909 kick and one use kickme samples and one use akai techno kicks
and what will be written - kick should be blabla but all that matters is the SOURCE and its QUALITY and the HARMONY of all together that i believe its stuff that no book can help without samples included.
PM me if you like some help in preparing files for that www.sattelbattle.com
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