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Nectarios
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Posted : Dec 16, 2012 16:50
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If you use the phase reversed output and then "monofy" the signal, you will loose the wet effect. You're summing waveforms that are 180 degrees out of phase, they will cancel out when summed in a mono track.
 
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 16, 2012 16:55
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yeah wont use it like this if it totally cancell personnaly, or just for fxs and sound that dont really matter |
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Posted : Dec 16, 2012 17:03
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Crnorizec Hrabar
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Posted : Dec 16, 2012 17:13
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Hi,
Eventide h3000 is great processor, but the plugin version comes very close to the original one, especially in the pitch modulation department (think Simon Posford's like FX). You can achieve similar results with combination of plugins if you know what kind of sound are you looking for!
I am more on the freeware side of things when it comes to software, so most of the stuff i will suggest here is free or very cheap! So to start with something, MDA Detune does the job very well for pitch shifting, works great on vocals, and adds extra fatness to lead sounds, very simple plugin but works. Also give a try to the Re-Psycho plugin and RingMod.. Here is the link http://mda.smartelectronix.com/
Next stop TAL http://kunz.corrupt.ch/Products
very nice emulation of the Roland Juno's chorus, sounds really analog if you are searching for more analog style processing, i dig the Delay units very much, they sound great, and the tube distortion plugin and plate reverbs are not bad at all.
If you are working in Apple's Logic, the Pedalboard plugin is nice, you can chain fx, and do a lot of nice stuff with it. For me most useful plugins in Logic suite are the Designers and the Bitcrusher (this one is awesome).
This plugins are not free but are very cheap:
http://www.stillwellaudio.com/?page_id=39
Oligarc phaser is the best plugin phaser i have ever heard, works on everything, from leads to Hi Hats. Very musical plugin, and you can tune it in the pitch of the track very easily. Give it a TRY, you will like it.. CMX plugin is a nice pitch shifter as well!
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/dfx_buffer_override_by_smart_electronix
this one is a very special fx!
As hardware goes, i like the Behringer Ultra Chorus UC 200, i bought it for 15eur, and find it useful, you can do crazy stuff playing with rate and depth knobs as it start to self oscillate when the controls are near theirs max values!
Electro Harmonix have great fx, but not that cheap! Small Stone phaser is killer!!
Last bat not least, http://ir.j-music.info/eventide-h3000/
nice impulse responses from a eventide unit, to load in a convolution reverb.
I hope that i helped a bit,
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Agorit
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Posted : Dec 16, 2012 19:37
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Nectarios,
I don't understand what you mean by
"here are no mono P.A.s nowdays".
Most PA's I see are still in mono.
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 16, 2012 20:05
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Crnorizec Hrabar thanks for all the suggestion, i use or have used these plugins myself
schwa stillwell plugins are indeed good usually
but don't like much the cmx personally i think there is better alternative but not free like the waves old one.
not mentioned there is also audio damage plugins worth checking
also logic have pitch shifting with izotope radius that is supposed to be one of the best/ cleanest but not sure how is the workflow to use it and i think it s around 100 $
the eventide is maybe close but it snot spot on, they had to recreate the algo insteed of porting it if i remember what i have read, the pitch shifting is not as good from the comment i have seen on gearsluts, the plugin sound digital with more artifacts it seems, and indeed i find it sound digital compared to soundtoys for example and the hardware is supposed to have a nice color, not really the plugin but it s possible to ear a certain quality into it that make me excpect a lot from their hardware box |
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Posted : Dec 16, 2012 20:39
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there is also reaktor ! have to do a clean up and just keep best ensemble one day ,my folder is a huge mess .
twisted tools have made some really sick stuff but there is plenty of others good ones , the sound is maybe not always top notch but in term of creativity and the result possible to get with some ensemble.. it s really amazing |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Dec 16, 2012 21:36
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On 2012-12-16 19:37, Agorit wrote:
Nectarios,
I don't understand what you mean by
"here are no mono P.A.s nowdays".
Most PA's I see are still in mono.
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I haven't been to a party or festival with a mono P.A. in years. What can I say.
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 16, 2012 21:58
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Nectarios have you tried yet to run your phatty filter in the cluster flux feedback loop with the saturation or use a distortion, i wonder if it could lead to good result for unusual fx |
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Agorit
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Posted : Dec 17, 2012 03:55
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On 2012-12-16 21:36, Nectarios wrote:
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On 2012-12-16 19:37, Agorit wrote:
Nectarios,
I don't understand what you mean by
"here are no mono P.A.s nowdays".
Most PA's I see are still in mono.
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I haven't been to a party or festival with a mono P.A. in years. What can I say.
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yup, the settings are actually variables.
I usually attend the temple, the PA's are configured in mono.
I'm not going to a party many years.
Tell me one thing, the mix of various artists are quite different in terms of exploring the stereo field, panning elements etc ...
For example, how is the hearing of a listener that is totally near one of the speakers on the right? If an artist using PAN left very open, the listener would hear? Or any other element...
PoM,sorry to talk about something else here, it's just that question.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Dec 17, 2012 05:17
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On 2012-12-17 03:55, Agorit wrote:
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On 2012-12-16 21:36, Nectarios wrote:
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On 2012-12-16 19:37, Agorit wrote:
Nectarios,
I don't understand what you mean by
"here are no mono P.A.s nowdays".
Most PA's I see are still in mono.
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I haven't been to a party or festival with a mono P.A. in years. What can I say.
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yup, the settings are actually variables.
I usually attend the temple, the PA's are configured in mono.
I'm not going to a party many years.
Tell me one thing, the mix of various artists are quite different in terms of exploring the stereo field, panning elements etc ...
For example, how is the hearing of a listener that is totally near one of the speakers on the right? If an artist using PAN left very open, the listener would hear? Or any other element...
PoM,sorry to talk about something else here, it's just that question.
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If something is panned on the opposite speaker from where you are standing, you will barely hear it, maybe not at all. The thing is though that a stereo sound is present on both sides, so you will hear either channel of it, even if you are sitting far left or right in the dancefloor.
In trance music, I haven't heard many tracks where people tend to pan sounds on one side only, either than some part of a hi hat loop, or percussive loop. In any case, one cannot write music thinking about the people that choose one side of the P.A. to sit in front of.
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Crnorizec Hrabar
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Posted : Dec 17, 2012 12:35
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On 2012-12-17 03:55, Agorit wrote:
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On 2012-12-16 21:36, Nectarios wrote:
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On 2012-12-16 19:37, Agorit wrote:
Nectarios,
I don't understand what you mean by
"here are no mono P.A.s nowdays".
Most PA's I see are still in mono.
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I haven't been to a party or festival with a mono P.A. in years. What can I say.
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yup, the settings are actually variables.
I usually attend the temple, the PA's are configured in mono.
I'm not going to a party many years.
Tell me one thing, the mix of various artists are quite different in terms of exploring the stereo field, panning elements etc ...
For example, how is the hearing of a listener that is totally near one of the speakers on the right? If an artist using PAN left very open, the listener would hear? Or any other element...
PoM,sorry to talk about something else here, it's just that question.
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I think that use of stereo is very important in music like psychedelic trance. It adds a depth to the material, and also makes you space in the mix, so you can add more layers in the track. Also it keeps clean center image, for the kick and the bass mainly, and for all "dead center" instruments. PA systems these days are all stereo, and they are set up in a way that majority of the audience could feel the stereo, even if you are not positioned exactly in the center. If you have your track properly mastered, by a seasoned mastering engineer, most of them still care much about mono compatibility, so dont worry, your tracks will be compatible to mono systems as well.
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 17, 2012 13:15
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yeah but at mastering it would really compromise the whole track to narrow the stereo i think, better to get it right in the mix like for everyhting, peronally i recommend to not rely on mastering to fix problems if possible.
it s possible to get good stereo image and still decent mono i think thats more safe, good mono translation can mean punchier and powerfull mix in stereo.
i find lot of producers don't use enought the pan kobs and smart arrangement these day. there is a old trick is to mix everyhting mono before thinking stereo not sure it would be really usefull for our music today.. but it might not hurt to get more intresting tunes in term of what is happening in the panorama |
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 17, 2012 13:49
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i wonder how a mix mostly made with mono ingredients and some wide stereo sound for ear candy on top would sound.i m sure it s possible make great mix that way.
stereo probably not good for transients of punchy sound .
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Posted : Dec 17, 2012 14:50
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was thinking the cluster flux post reverb on a send , it might sound sweet for these hilghly modulated verb sounds a la lexicon and to make the verb warmer or as special fx, can t wait to try |
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