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Posted : Dec 15, 2012 18:58
on gearslutz ppl say that eventide from 20 years ago blow any plugins of today i would not surpirsed it s true but it cost so much..strange no one made emulation .
the thing with big company like eventide, Tc.. these have money to invest into Rd unlike plugins companies so the result should be of higher quality for their best unit even if it s a digital box. maybe even old roland alesis ect..are still great. for example one compressor of alesis is big classic, it was used all other the place in house /techno in the 90 and the thing cost nothing,same for their verb.i wonder how it would compare to today stuff..
what were the popular fx units used in goa trance? if there is any .
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Posted : Dec 15, 2012 19:33
would be nice to hear beat agency on this subject, wonder what they used, also at the butterfly studio and what fx were popular , if these fx could still have their place. i know already his answer,stick with plugins
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Posted : Dec 15, 2012 21:21
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On 2012-12-15 18:52, snowdogg wrote:
uhbik phaser! it does up to something like 42 stages! sick
dunno but it can sound great ! i think it s my fav from the bundle for now after little use .
but imo these plugs could be improved,with sacha the guy who made some great plugs for samplitude i guess there is bright future for uhe fx.
also big hope with sean from valhalla , he got a eventide so i guess we will see more great fx from him..ubermod is already great.
so far i have find some fxs supposed on par with eventide or even better depending for what..for less than a plugin bundle like soundtoys, some stuff of the 80/90 really go chip these day, you can find some good fx unit for the price of a plugin..
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Posted : Dec 16, 2012 05:13
demoed eventide factory, it s not as good as the hardware and don't really worth the price imo but it showed me i was not dreaming that lot of soft kind of sux more or less
now i know a real h3000 or some unit on par quality wise will blow my mind with all the possibilities,the sound...saving money
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Posted : Dec 16, 2012 11:27
the h 3000 goes for about 1000 euro here second hand. Still quite steep for a fx unit..
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Posted : Dec 16, 2012 13:14
i dont think with all the thing you can do with it and it sound great, well worth the price imo. the only problem i can see it s old and could break.. blah anyway i went a other direction and spent on the cluster flux ,not sure i did the right choice the price is very steep but i love chorus flangers...eventide one day..
i dont know waht trickery they use but the sound of the eventide factory delay i really like it , i compared to soundtoys ,uhbik , it feel clearly in other league to me, it feel made by some guys that know their shit, even if the algo are maybe 20 or 25 years old .
some guys behind the h3000 are legend in pro audio production.. but after its taste, the plug are also not on par with the hardware but the delay and the pitch are fun i expect to be really impressed with the hardware and it s what i m after..i want to be WOWED this thing that rarely happen with my plugs.
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Posted : Dec 16, 2012 13:53
the h3000 is also supposed to be the best sounding eventide when after warm colored sound , the converter are 15 bit on that thing if i m rights, it s sure will sound different than a h8000 ,to me it make the price less steep, actally i think they are going up but few year ago at 800/900 dollars i should have bought one.. their price will only increase as it will get harder and harder to get in good working condition.. like 303
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Posted : Dec 16, 2012 15:16
The cluster flux sounds pretty damn good too!
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Posted : Dec 16, 2012 15:39
The thing about the Cluster Flux is that besides its brilliant sound, it is very programmable as well and it goes deep into complicated modulation territory.
It has an LFO with sine/tri/square/ramp down/ramp up and S&H output, which goes quite fast and can be synced to MIDI. So you can sync it and record things twice for a "unison" like effect, or you can have different timings/opposing waveforms for each recording and have for example a ramp down flange/chorus effect on the left side and a ramp up flange/chorus effect on the right side. Needless to say this sounds amazingly psychedelic on high feedback settings, especially on headphones.
Every parameter can be automated for carefully programmed effect and on top of that the TIME parameter can track the keyboard, something that, as far as I know, is not available in software so far. Add to that the great sounding pre amp and for me, the price (and the rumours that there would be only 1000 units made) justified its price for me, as I am a flanger junky http://soundcloud.com/martianarts
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Posted : Dec 16, 2012 15:56
sold ssl native softwares to buy this thing but i m sure it will be well worth it.. some sample online omg i really enjoyed the sound ! can't wait to try .. it can have a caractere on guitars wow , even on drums it sounded great as a special fx
Nectarios that look like lot of fun, do you know it s possible to get dry on one channel and wet on the other one ? it might be fun too gonna check manual.
and the drive do you use it subbtle or really drive synth with it ? i wonder how it color the sound
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Posted : Dec 16, 2012 16:12
No dry output I'm afraid. I was skeptic of recording wet synth parts my self, as I might change my mind with them later and want less/more wet effect.
One thing to do is to record the MF-108 fully wet and then the dry synth patch and mix things in Logic afterwards...but then I just went along with getting the wet effect somewhere that I thought was fine, recorded the patch and moved on.
The thing about the MF-108 is that the character of the wet effect changes depending on how much you push the input gain stage. Some people, that are used to the practical plug in way of work, have told me it looks like a pain to use, but I enjoy connecting cables and running stuff through it, listening carefully to get the perfect sound.
I take my time making tunes, there is no rush.
P.S. the overdrive from it, is great. Warm and smudgy. I run the x0xb0x through it with 0 wet effect, just to get the nice overtones from its input stage. I love it.
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Posted : Dec 16, 2012 16:23
An example is the sound that comes in at 1:49 in the sample below.
Its the Moog Slim Phatty through the MF-108, with the MF-108s LFO synced to MIDI so that I get the same sweeps on both channels and automating the MF-108's Feedback and Mix parameters to get the resonating flange glides on some notes. Recorded twice for true stereo.
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Posted : Dec 16, 2012 16:32
nice one mate i think i gonna love this box, should be good to give a bit of color to the Xs i guess with the drive.
i checked online and there is jumpers inside but it look like a bit of pain to open and change the config, not sure.. but there is like 4 stereo outputs if i m correct maybe more, the one by default reverse the phase of the wet like you told me, but it s possible to have the phase reversed of the dry insteed . and you can also have dry one side wet other side in phase or out of phase.. wonder how all this will aftect the sound, the one by default is supposed to give a wide stereo when panning hard left hard right.
i wont bother with all this at first i think i will do 2 bounce for stereo so it take only one channel in my chain and use different setting like you do ,gonna be fun
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Posted : Dec 16, 2012 16:42
Leave it as it is I reckon. There are no mono P.A.s nowdays, and the I reckon I am going to start using the stereo output of it for some FX sounds that I make on the Phatty. For a very wet effect sound, having one side phase reversed, makes the sound far wider than where your monitors are positioned. My experience tells me that you should not have phase reversed sounds in a mix, but my ears tell me that phase reversed FX, sound brilliant. As with everything, just don't over do it.
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Posted : Dec 16, 2012 16:48
i think in the eventide plug i tiried they do tricks like this .. as it sound more open than soundtoys and other plugs delay i use,it sound out of the speaker and it s great.. but it s still have decent mono.i tried to replicate it with soundtoys and logic stereo delay reversing the phase, trying cross feedback reversed and all this but it s more complext in the eventide i think as i couldnt replicate that open sound ,even boosting the side on top by few db it didn t work
they say to experiment with the pan position of each chanel when using the cluster flux in stereo to get a mix of dry wet dont remmeber.. but there is mayb some good spot than sound good in mono too
