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What are the current best nearfield monitors + DAC?
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UnderTow
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Posted : Jan 6, 2008 16:59
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On 2008-01-06 16:00, Adharaguy wrote:
mackie hr 824 the best near field.......
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They are not very good and absolute crap compared to the K+H monitors.
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Getafix
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Posted : Jan 6, 2008 18:54
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On 2008-01-06 15:23, Alex Roudos wrote:
the Twins were never an option for me simply because i didn't like their cabinet color. 
Also i have the feeling that the low reproduction on the 0300s must be better because of the 8" woofer, but it's only a feeling, i can be wrong.
Besides the above very personal points of view, i finally went with the 0300s because everyone seems to agree that they are better for electronic music and especially with the 0800 sub addition in a later time, you simply have a killer 4-way monitoring system.
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Hehehe i wish i could make my mind up just with the color
Anyway you've raised some good points & since i can't personally listen to them i'll go with the general consensus & get the K+H, with the sub in the future should i ever need it.
Thanks for the help!
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piXan
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Posted : Jan 7, 2008 05:02
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I think you should invest not only in the equipment,b ut in learning how to use it in depth.
Like and Audio and Midi Course.
No point in having a 24 in-out , DSP soundcard if u arent using them. Having a top high end equipment wont make ur music better. As said many of the best tracks of psytrance were made with only the essential, or maybe even less. It goes the same for any music. Actually I believe that POMs idea for a Rig is way better choice for a begineer and you can upgrade from there.
No offense but i think is more important to learn the basics first,- then ull know what you need.
But of course, if you want that go for it.
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Getafix
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Posted : Jan 9, 2008 20:40
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Hey Alex,
A couple of more questions if you don't mind!
I've been reading about some people complaining that the K+H don't go loud enough? Do you feel this is an issue?
I've managed to convince a dealer to sell them to me for $3600, think its a good deal?
Also, which color did you get & would recommend?
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UnderTow
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Posted : Jan 9, 2008 21:15
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Get-a-fix,
I just spent the last two days working in a studio with 300D speakers and they certainly go loud enough.
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Alex Roudos
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Posted : Jan 9, 2008 23:01
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Get-a-fix,
the 0300 are very loud for a normal room. I can't really turn my DAC-1 higher than 1/4(calibrated internally at 0db). If i just add 3-4 steps on the volume pot, then i have to leave the room. I tried it with some bass heavy music and the internal limiters didn't even think to start working, but the output volume was the one that after 1 minute the police is on your door. Tomorrow i'm getting a DB meter to calibrate my monitors according to the K-system and after i do that i'll get some "official" db readings regarding what i just mentioned and post them.
For a midsized pro studio with customers that want their ears to explode then the 0300s will not deliver alone. But they will if they have the 0800 sub because the sub will take care of all the low freqs preventing the 0300's internal limiter to start working, which results in even greater output, accuracy, depth and sound stage.
$3600 is a very good price if you are not paying anything on top of that for any reason.
I got the default color. Any other color i think it's extra priced.
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Tomos
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Posted : Jan 10, 2008 01:52
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Alex, would you consider using the internal attenuation jumpers to get a more useful volume control?
I read somewhere the DAC-1 outputs best quality when the attenuation is set to 0db... for some reason.. dunno if its true. But because of my active speakers on variable I've decided to open it up to adjust the jumpers to -30db. I fancy having a knob that goes more than 3 clicks round without melting your ears. |
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Alex Roudos
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Posted : Jan 10, 2008 10:38
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Tomos, i read the same thing also, that's why i set it to 0db. I emailed Benchmark about it but they said, as expected of course, that there's no difference no matter where the attenuation jumpers are set.
I don't know why but i believe more the guy who made the review and "discovered" this.
Having only 10-12 steps to play with on the volume pot is not a problem for me.
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Getafix
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Posted : Jan 12, 2008 12:08
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Just ordered my K+H O 300's today! Got a two week wait though until the dealer gets them, its going to be hard to wait!
Should anyone ever need to buy these or the Focal Twins i've found some great dealers for them with excellent shipping prices & they will mark the value as you please.
Alex,
Did you break your monitors in when you got them? I've read that you shouldn't really push them too hard until you've used them a couple of weeks.
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Alex Roudos
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Posted : Jan 12, 2008 12:47
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Congratulations mate, they really gonna change your listening standards for sure. I can understand your anticipation as well as i had to wait also two weeks before delivery.
I never have the volume high unless i'm mixing or "mastering" and i did neither of them yet on the 0300s.
When i got them i remember that i turned the volume up quite high to check how they sound, but that was only for 15 seconds because i couldn't stand it.
Anyway, it didn't affect anything in a bad way.
"Break in" is counted in hours and not in weeks, as in a couple of weeks you may not reach the needed break in hours for the device. I would suggest that you check out how many hours are needed for the 0300s and let me know as well
For example, some high end headphones need around 200-300 hours of breaking in.
PS. I was really happy when i read that Bob Katz highly recommends the 0300s both for mixing and mastering. We chose wisely 
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Tomos
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Posted : Jan 12, 2008 13:34
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You can leave music playing gently on speakers when you're not there to help break them in. Apparently..
I've never been sure whether breaking in speakers is a real phenomenon, or whether your ears adjust to the sound. I'm inclined to believe the latter.
I guess physically it must soften the rubber surrounds or pole suspension over time. The closest I've ever come to definite proof is when I get in my hot car in the summer and it sounds better and goes louder.. probably due to softening. |
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UnderTow
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Posted : Jan 12, 2008 13:51
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Here is another plus point about the O300's: The studio I was working in had a 5.2 setup (5x O300 and 2x O800) but I was only using it in stereo.
The phantom center image (the impression that there is an extra speaker in the middle between the two stereo speakers) was so solid and strong that I had to walk to the center speaker and put my ear against it to make sure it there really wasn't any sound coming out of it.
Good stereo imaging and a solid phantom center are signs of great speakers!
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Getafix
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Posted : Jan 12, 2008 16:42
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Tomos i don't think its a myth i've read lots of people saying their monitors changed drastically in performance after breaking them in.
Alex,
From what i've read 150-200 hours is recommended to break these babies in
Now i just need to freeze myself like Eric Cartman until my monitors get here!
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klippel
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Posted : Jan 12, 2008 17:01
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@breaking in speakers
i own b&w 805 signature speakers and had several nice speakers before. and i tell you: they NEED break in time for sure. and i would suggest to push´em hard if you want fast breaking in. in general different kind of music to cover the complete frequency range should be played in the beginning. and of course the louder the more will the material be stressed and thus be played in...
besides the material of the tweeters and membranes, also the electronic components of the crossover network will be "conditioned" by the flowing currents. new amps will also sound better after a while of using them..
compare your speakers in the beginning to after maybe one week.. HUGE difference. best try it with very well recorde acoustic music.. the loss of mudiness should be great for speakers in this price range...
remember though, some manufacturers will burn in their components prior to selling them. of course then changes you will hear will be minimal!
have a nice day and tell me how the hummels are ;-)
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RenderingRebel
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Posted : Jan 12, 2008 18:39
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On 2008-01-07 05:02, piXan wrote:
I think you should invest not only in the equipment,b ut in learning how to use it in depth.
Like and Audio and Midi Course.
No point in having a 24 in-out , DSP soundcard if u arent using them. Having a top high end equipment wont make ur music better. As said many of the best tracks of psytrance were made with only the essential, or maybe even less. It goes the same for any music. Actually I believe that POMs idea for a Rig is way better choice for a begineer and you can upgrade from there.
No offense but i think is more important to learn the basics first,- then ull know what you need.
But of course, if you want that go for it.
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Why would you waste your time with buying equipment you want to replace again in 2 years
its better to spend the money while you have it on something good and build from there
Im thinking about this combo now also, will there be much difference in sound between dac1 converters and the converters from the rme fireface 800?
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