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What are israeli trancers attitudes towards palestinians ?
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lalala
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 17:01
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A touchy subject, hope it upsets noone. I am from the UK and really know nothing about the dispute between Palestine and Israel,
however more and more in my country we here about the conflict and the press makes out Israelis hate palestians and Palestinians hate Israelis.
Well i dont believe most of what I hear but would be interested what attitudes members of the Israeli trance community have towards Palestine and Palestinians ? |
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Nathan
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 17:07
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I don't think that politics will do good to this forum. imho one of the beast things about Trance is that its pure music - clean! A shelter from daily things. Lets keep it that way.
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lalala
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 17:16
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On 2006-01-12 17:07, Nathan wrote:
I don't think that politics will do good to this forum. imho one of the beast things about Trance is that its pure music - clean! A shelter from daily things. Lets keep it that way.
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so psy trance is about escaping ? In my experience trance parties have always been a place of love and bringing people together of all races and creeds. That essentially is one of the most important things about parties and trance parties in particular and why they are so special, which is why i wish to see if the same attitude is in Israeli trance despite their problems.
For example when the IRA were at their bombing campaign in northern Ireland techno and trance parties saw both catholics and protestants on the dance floor. Parties were not seen as a way to escape the world but as a source of inspiration to change it for the better.
I think my question is important and relevant. I did not ask it to cause an argument but to sincerly find out attitudes .
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scobbah
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 17:24
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Sorry lalala but this is probably not a good place to request such opinions from. With all respect and I understand you and your curiousity but if you eagerly wish to know I'd rather use Google for it. Politics are banned here and we just have to respect that, since it is a guideline we agree with when signing up at this forum. The subject is very sensitive anyhow and discussing a topic like this would only spread bad vibes around (because even this scene who is supposed to be so "open minded" and "full of love" contains a lot of people who's just into hatered when encountering subjects like this one). I'd love to discuss this subject as well, but I'm afraid we can't and that's how things simply are.
As my old teacher used to say, Google's your best friend. 
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lalala
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 17:27
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On 2006-01-12 17:24, scobbah wrote:
Sorry lalala but this is probably not a good place to request such opinions from. With all respect and I understand you and your curiousity but if you eagerly wish to know I'd rather use Google for it. Politics are banned here and we just have to respect that, since it is a guideline we agree with when signing up at this forum. The subject is very sensitive anyhow and discussing a topic like this would only spread bad vibes around (because even this scene who is supposed to be so "open minded" and "full of love" contains a lot of people who's just into hatered when encountering subjects like this one).
As my old teacher used to say, Google's your best friend.
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My main reason for asking was that i heard of festivals in israel attended by both israelis and Palestinians in great fun . to be honest i m not sure if googles is going to tell me israeli trancers attiudes but i respect your opinion . |
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Dark_Dork
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 17:52
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Peace!
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Surrender
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 18:15
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hi lalala,
this is indeed a tricky subject, but i will try to answer it as a-politically as i can. i hope anyone who replies here keeps it that way as well, because what scobbah said is true, we tend to keep politics and religion out of here - it almost never leads anywhere good when dealing with a large forum and an array of opinions like in here.
i havent heard of palestinans attending israeli festivals. you might be confusing arab israelis, who are israeli citizens and therefore can go anywhere they wish since its their country as well. now, they might refer to themselves as palestinians for various reasons (solidarity with their palestinian familes over the border, solidarity with their cause) but they are not considered palestinians. palestinans today, are people who arent allowed entry to israel, unless they have special work visas... these are usually not the people who attend trance parties.
regarding israeli opinions on palestians - i think its a subject that can get replies from bothl sides of the spectrum and everything inbetween- because as you said - trance brings together all sorts of people. we had a topic here awhile ago about gays in the trance scene and i was surprised to find out that again, answers may come from a wide range of opinions. i dont think this is any diffrent.
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shamanizer
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 20:24
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I also think that this is a relevant issue and therefore the thread shouldn't be closed. I completely agree with Surrender, there will be a wide variety of opinions and since I lived in Israel for three years I know the attitudes as well. Lets keep this thread clean of flaming, it takes two to tango.
BTW, why is this issue so sensitive for many Israelis?
What comes to the topic, I hope to see solidarity among trancers towards this issue, show that that you believe in PLUR and dont just casually spit it out from the mouth when ever it happens to suit you. Current situation doesn't do good for anybody, we all can probably agree on that. Peace.
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exotic
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 20:34
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peace !
let this not turn into another homophobic type thread ..
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shamanizer
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 21:02
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On 2006-01-12 20:32, nolightatend wrote:
Just let me get it, you like to answer or just to open thread about peace process in middle east. That's why these kind of posts should be avoided at all, since it turns to pro or against something rather answering direct question. |
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It doesn't have to be like that. I personally don't take sides but try to see the facts without letting my feelings to effect it and like said before, nobody fights alone. I also try not to look too much into the past, because its impossible to change it, but there's still something we could do about the future. And if its too hard to talk about it how do you aim to improve things?
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Why its sensitive? Because there is a war between two of these. You fail to see so? It is like saying why Russians were not dancing with French back in 1812. Is that correct question? I guess not, but this is my own opinion.[/quote]
Why this issue is not so sensitive for Palestinians?
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scobbah
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 21:17
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On 2006-01-12 21:02, shamanizer wrote:
Why this issue is not so sensitive for Palestinians?
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I'd love to answer that one, but I think it is impossible to give you a some what fair answer without going political here. There's great books about the subject out there regarding the conflict which would give you a good hint I believe. 
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clown
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 21:30
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yes, there might be war, but i've always thought that the average israeli wants the war to stop. so that mean's they must not dispise eachother that much.. maybe im wrong.. i've never been to any of the two countries.. i've been cacooned in my capitalist society where buying new cloths is our idea of freedom.. 
(on a complete offtopic response) i hope the war ends soon !! politics is no reason for innocent deaths..
but yeah, it would be nice to see if there is as much hate between both parties as "Fox news" states.. 
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 23:34
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On 2006-01-12 21:30, clown wrote:
yes, there might be war, but i've always thought that the average israeli wants the war to stop. so that mean's they must not dispise eachother that much.. |
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The average israeli yes. The average palestinian, I seriously doubt it. See it from the palestinians' eyes. If someone came and took your house and killed a few of your mates/family, and you tried to take back what was taken from you, at what point would you want the war to stop? Eye for an eye is not a good practise and killing a few of the enemies, will not bring your mates/family, back. But would you still be an evil person if you wanted the war to go on until you moved back into your house? Who was were first? Did history start at 1967? Did it start earlier? I have my views, but I can't say who is right or wrong. Just see the motivation and the extreme situations that drive people to extreme lenghts.
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Goannes
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Posted : Jan 13, 2006 00:17
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Once I read this in an article :""That being said, i will comment on a few AMAZING things that are happening because of this phenomenon. Israeli and Palestinian troops take leaves of absence to go party in the Middle East and end up dancing beside the "enemy" and don't even bother going back to fight. Yay! One point for world peace!"
The site I quoted it from doesn't exist anymore. This was supposed to be the site: www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3597/def.htm
I also started a thread once which comes close to the subject http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/37470/forum/1
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shamanizer
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Posted : Jan 13, 2006 12:12
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On 2006-01-13 00:17, Goannes wrote:
Once I read this in an article :""That being said, i will comment on a few AMAZING things that are happening because of this phenomenon. Israeli and Palestinian troops take leaves of absence to go party in the Middle East and end up dancing beside the "enemy" and don't even bother going back to fight. Yay! One point for world peace!"
The site I quoted it from doesn't exist anymore. This was supposed to be the site: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3597/def.htm
I also started a thread once which comes close to the subject http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/37470/forum/1
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Doesn't happen in real life... correct me if I'm wrong... |
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