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What about ILLBIENT artists ?
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Asura
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Posted : May 16, 2007 17:15
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On 2007-05-16 15:56, koalakube wrote:
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On 2007-05-16 06:34, vector_0 wrote:
meh...they're all right; i don't dislike them. but whats so special about them? IMO, any of the top psy-ambient artists blow them out of the water in terms of production quality or originality
i think they're just perceived as being so amazing because they're on bigger labels with higher promotional budgets
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lol
or maybe because they have been doing their own style of electronic music for about 20 years,influenced many of todays producers and because they are actually capable of writing something that can be called piece of music.
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Or maybe because their music is really soulful. Concerning the production, it's not the only thing important in music. I think BOC have what misses in many electronic release those days: une âme in french! |
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maux
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Posted : May 16, 2007 17:24
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different shit....same smell 
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vector_0
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Posted : May 18, 2007 02:17
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On 2007-05-16 15:56, koalakube wrote:
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On 2007-05-16 06:34, vector_0 wrote:
meh...they're all right; i don't dislike them. but whats so special about them? IMO, any of the top psy-ambient artists blow them out of the water in terms of production quality or originality
i think they're just perceived as being so amazing because they're on bigger labels with higher promotional budgets
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lol
or maybe because they have been doing their own style of electronic music for about 20 years,influenced many of todays producers and because they are actually capable of writing something that can be called piece of music.
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exactly! see, you just admitted that you're listening to their music in the context of their history and influence. Objectively, i feel that Carbon Based Lifeforms, for example, is so much more soulful, well produced, and captivating than BoC. |
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koalakube
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Posted : May 18, 2007 06:31
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I take you are having big problems understanding my post.
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vector_0
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Posted : May 18, 2007 07:59
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i guess so...
what do you mean when you say "because they are actually capable of writing something that can be called piece of music"? Personally, I don't listen to any artists that aren't capable of this.
it sounds to me (and again, this could be a huge misunderstanding) that when you say "maybe because they have been doing their own style of electronic music for about 20 years", you're implying that they are better than new artists because they've been around longer.
all i'm trying to say is that the greatest music has not yet been made
@ Asura: Don't you think that your music is more advanced than that stuffy old late 90's "illbient?" Just because you're standing on their shoulders, that doesn't mean they're better than you |
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xerxes[no]
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Posted : May 18, 2007 10:26
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my favorite artist within this style of music you are talking about in this thread is BOLA. fantastic stuff.
i think illbient is a really dumb name though 
cheers
klaus
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : May 18, 2007 14:00
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Vector_0
Saying that Asura or any other psychill has superior quality than BOC, a band that is probably the reason why this section exist for example, insults me.
Good to see Koalakube and Asura putting some common sense in all this.
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damon
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Posted : May 18, 2007 16:41
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On 2007-05-18 14:00, Justin Chaos wrote:
Vector_0
Saying that Asura or any other psychill has superior quality than BOC, a band that is probably the reason why this section exist for example, insults me.
Good to see Koalakube and Asura putting some common sense in all this.
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Posted : May 18, 2007 16:56
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Some answers show exactly what i meant in my early harsh post. That "BoC are the best and everyone who critizises them is a stupid idiot and has no musical taste/knowledge at all" is apparently very usual in this genre. *sad*
Someone tell me how to measure music's quality please.
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maux
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Posted : May 18, 2007 17:07
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LOL....I am confused sorry...
is it BOC illbient or IDM ? or Electronica ?
I love their sounds and soulful music with an original style.
(and pls stop this w**ks about the chill producers being the more crystal pure sound around)...
but I don't think they are the "best" of anything...and maybe they are even a bit stuck in their style (a bit the Genesis of IDM)
anyway I think that any music scene that claims to be more intelligent than another is very arrogant...
curiosly in one IDM forum (where also BOC and Aphex ppl write posts) one of the longer threads is entitled:
Do You Hate The Term IDM ? (most of them do)
can we start the same here ?
Do You Hate The Term Chill Out ? (I do)
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : May 18, 2007 18:23
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On 2007-05-18 16:56, The Chilling Spirit wrote:
That "BoC are the best and everyone who critizises them is a stupid idiot and has no musical taste/knowledge at all" |
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Well, nobody made a respectable critisism of them , exception made for Maux...well almost, he just made a comment about them being a bit stuck, so no.
What is undeniable about BOC or Brian Eno is their legacy.
You can like them or not, fair enough.
But to state that any producer from this scene has any creative superiority whatsoever is overruled and a clear prove of ignorance.
Because without them, or Eno, or Pink Floyd...or some others (not many), this genre wouldn't even exist...as simple as that.
I would like to see somebody stating that Pink Floyd level of production is below, let's use it as an example, Shpongle...
That would be a bit of a paralelism with this BOC fuss.
And that's probably right...coz either PF or BOC weren't, aren't producers...they are musicians.
There is a considerable difference you know.
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vector_0
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Posted : May 18, 2007 20:33
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On 2007-05-18 14:00, Justin Chaos wrote:
Vector_0
Saying that Asura or any other psychill has superior quality than BOC, a band that is probably the reason why this section exist for example, insults me.
Good to see Koalakube and Asura putting some common sense in all this.
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LoL, i hope Asura's still on your side even though you are "insulted" by my compliment to him.
This is an illogical argument, and you just reiterated my previous point, which is that you are listening to their music in context with their history, influence, and accomplishments. live in the 'now', man! you are showing signs of old age with the whole "they started it so they are the best" argument.
what if i said that BoC could never top the Steve Miller Band or Alan Parsons Project because they wrote songs and used synthesizers long before? hopefully, you'd think that was a ridiculous claim (but at this point, i don't know). or if i started saying how ragtime music is so much better than jazz, blues, and rock because it helped to inspire it
IMO, the farther forward we go in time, the more advanced music becomes. amalgamated ideas, more artists/styles to take influence from, and *gasp* better equipment means higher quality of music.
you guys sound just like my friends who won't listen to anything except the grateful dead because somewhere in their head they feel that nothing can ever top that music. well i say, fuck that, look to the future and not to the past
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vector_0
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Posted : May 18, 2007 20:50
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On 2007-05-18 18:23, Justin Chaos wrote:
I would like to see somebody stating that Pink Floyd level of production is below, let's use it as an example, Shpongle...
That would be a bit of a paralelism with this BOC fuss.
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Pink Floyd's level of production IS below shpongle. I love pink floyd, they hold a special place in my heart and always will. but WTF how can you even put these two bands on the same level? shpongle is light years and galaxies ahead of pink floyd. the first time i heard shpongle i was blown away at how tight, crazy, psychedelic, and original their studio production is. Pink floyd is a rock band: guitar drums bass vocals.
30 years ago, yes, they were the pinnacle of psychedelic music and themselves, visionaries. Today, they are no longer the forefront of psychedelic music.
why do you even bother listening to new music when you think that all the greatest songs have already been written? |
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : May 18, 2007 22:44
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I listen to psychedelic music everyday mate.
You didn't quote my whole sentence...I did say that's right to say Shpongle level of production is superior to PF mainly because there are not sound engineers and that's it man.
And I don't bother that much into listening this "new music" you're mentioning, which is in fact a same old copycat all the way of a person tremendously influenced by Floyd like Mr. P
I do get to play new music, none of it is the so called "psychill" though none, I spend quite a lot of time researching and hunting stuff from unbelievebable good artists and I challenge myself and the ocasional audiences I might get by it.
But still, to me, nothing like Eno, Floyd, BOC and so on.
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vector_0
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Posted : May 18, 2007 23:05
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i understand now...
guess we'll have to agree to disagree |
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