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Well well. It's time for "classics you dislike"!
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sherlockalien
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Posted : Mar 2, 2005 20:45
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"Some music is killer.
Some music make me puke
So is it really a problem?
Sure it makes me not puking, same as music isn't killing someone."
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If I said that I hate Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera (i really do) noone of you guys would react. But, if i mension the name of a psy-act, then half of you critisize me. What kind of "politeness" is that?"
"If people can talk about the "KILLAAA BOOM I LOVE IT ROCK THA FLOoRE" tracks, and this is subjective and opinion, then I dont think its a problem to say what you dislike.. Its just the other side.. Yin Yang, remember? "
"whatever happened to freedom of speech? I do respect the artists, and they should respect or opinion. "
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traveller
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Posted : Mar 2, 2005 22:54
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Well don't know if Cosma is considered classic yet but I sure as hell didn't see anything special in his music. Besides triptonite I don't think Etnica was that good either. Pleidians, no thanks! Some others too but these just popped into my mind right now..
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Hodi
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Posted : Mar 2, 2005 23:04
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On 2005-03-01 10:35, HandA wrote:
Why not start a topic about you favorite "hate" Cut & Paste new amature musician that seem to flood the scene these days? What are these topics good for? Are you all so bored that you have nothing better to do?
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i'm sick of all those "happy positive vibes" around
i mean, people GOTTA dislike some tracks, we can't like all the tracks! we are only humans. there are some BAD tracks out there!
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ben
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Posted : Mar 2, 2005 23:43
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some people really should start making tracks ...
then u will develop some respect for the artists...
and EYB to say that some artist makes u puke is not constructive criticism... it's rude and judgmental...
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IndiAlien
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Posted : Mar 3, 2005 00:46
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Have u heard Cosma - Sleep of Peace???
or
Your 911
or
Human Evolution
or
Non-stop
or
People on Hold
or
Saffy Smoke a Lot
or
in Memory of Terrance
or
Yok Yok
????????????
Cosma was GREAT !@!
Ur opinion just got seriously discountered mr. traveller...
in my books at least.
q(@ _ @)p
ps - i'm not saying ur not entitled to ur own opinon, i'm just saying that i now think its a very poor one. |
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sherlockalien
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Posted : Mar 3, 2005 01:20
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On 2005-03-02 23:43, ben wrote:
some people really should start making tracks ...
then u will develop some respect for the artists...
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that argument is not very good..
so if a bus driver or a cooker is bad (hair in my food, crash the bus, whatever), and I criticise him, I have no respect, or no right to do so just because Im not a cooker or driver myself?!
Man, if something does not fit my taste or is not to my liking, I have all the right in the world to criticise whether I am of the same profession or not... you may of course not agree with my opinion, but neither I must agree with your good reviews about something
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On 2005-03-02 23:43, ben wrote:
to say that some artist makes u puke is not constructive criticism... it's rude and judgmental...
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and to say KILLAAAAH BOOOM SHANKA ROCKA FLORA is not constructive good review either.. its opinion, and its not meant to be literal.. its an expression, it shows one´s emotions in a metaphorical way...
Respect towards others opinions should be learned too, even if others opinions are critical against something you like or made |
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Mahamudra (Sagiv)
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Posted : Mar 3, 2005 01:34
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well , i can give ya an exemple EYB ....
some one talked about cosma here... well im personally not conecting to his music so much....
could be cuz when he got out i was in difrent part of my life than i am now could be that other artist at that time took my attention from cosmas's style of music, could be lots of other things.... BUT my 2 friends/partners (eyal & ran) love his music so much its like unbelivible ... u see its ok to dislike a project/music/track actualy its kinda important that we all talk about that so artists can make the music more interesting or wotever , but there are so manny nice ways to say that .
and i know you got the point mate, u seems like a nice and smart person
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sherlockalien
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Posted : Mar 3, 2005 01:39
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yeah mahamudra I understand you...
Im also normally not trying to go too harshly against something I know people are very related too... but I dont judge people who do that... Some people are more like that, they are straight-to-the-point, no ´roundabouts´, they have harsh opinions.. and I respect them..
just like I am not so enthusiastic and writting stuff like ´OMG OMG OMG THATS HUGE FKING GREAT KILLA MUSIC´ when writting reviews, but I try to respect them..
anyway I go sleep now.. see ya.. and when I come back tomorrow, I want some artists-bashing in this thread heh ? hahaha kidding |
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Mar 3, 2005 02:21
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On 2005-03-02 22:54, traveller wrote:
Well don't know if Cosma is considered classic yet but I sure as hell didn't see anything special in his music. Besides triptonite I don't think Etnica was that good either. Pleidians, no thanks! Some others too but these just popped into my mind right now..
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hehehe
somebody had to say it.
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ben
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Posted : Mar 3, 2005 03:01
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that argument is not very good..
so if a bus driver or a cooker is bad (hair in my food, crash the bus, whatever), and I criticise him, I have no respect, or no right to do so just because Im not a cooker or driver myself?!
Man, if something does not fit my taste or is not to my liking, I have all the right in the world to criticise whether I am of the same profession or not... you may of course not agree with my opinion, but neither I must agree with your good reviews about something
well all i am saying is that when u do smthg (in this case making music) u have a better appreciation for the work that goes into it. that doesn't mean that u can't criticise.. but there is a difference between criticising smthg and being hurtfull and judgmental...
besides ur example is a bad one because u give an example of someone u r paying for a service (bus driver).. with music u don't have to listen to it if u don't want to.. so u don't have to pay...and also the bus driver crashing the bus has done smthg to u (put ur safety in danger) whereas i don't see what an artist u don't like has done to u...very different
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On 2005-03-02 23:43, ben wrote:
to say that some artist makes u puke is not constructive criticism... it's rude and judgmental...
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and to say KILLAAAAH BOOOM SHANKA ROCKA FLORA is not constructive good review either.. its opinion, and its not meant to be literal.. its an expression, it shows one´s emotions in a metaphorical way...
Respect towards others opinions should be learned too, even if others opinions are critical against something you like or made
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again u compare two things that are different... both are bad imo.. but when someone says killer at least it doesn't disrespect the artist.. whereas when u say smthg makes u puke it does...
i said what i said cause i am gettin tired of seeing people who don't make music, who have no idea of how hard it is, being rude to artists and insulting... those people like traveller just did only judge music by if they like the style or not...
and i know that for a fact b/c i used to be that way.. until i started making music.. now i can not like smthg (like most etnica tracks) but i know it is still good music.. just not my taste...
it's like traveller saying that pleiadians is no good.. what he should have said is it's not my style of music.. not that it's no good...
but again pleiadians is not released on twisted so it makes sense... |
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ben
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Posted : Mar 3, 2005 03:02
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well all i am saying is that when u do smthg (in this case making music) u have a better appreciation for the work that goes into it. that doesn't mean that u can't criticise.. but there is a difference between criticising smthg and being hurtfull and judgmental...
besides ur example is a bad one because u give an example of someone u r paying for a service (bus driver).. with music u don't have to listen to it if u don't want to.. so u don't have to pay...and also the bus driver crashing the bus has done smthg to u (put ur safety in danger) whereas i don't see what an artist u don't like has done to u...very different
i said what i said cause i am gettin tired of seeing people who don't make music, who have no idea of how hard it is, being rude to artists and insulting... those people like traveller just did only judge music by if they like the style or not...
and i know that for a fact b/c i used to be that way.. until i started making music.. now i can not like smthg (like most etnica tracks) but i know it is still good music.. just not my taste...
it's like traveller saying that pleiadians is no good.. what he should have said is it's not my style of music.. not that it's no good...
but again pleiadians is not released on twisted so it makes sense...
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ben
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Posted : Mar 3, 2005 03:02
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more clear now.. i messed up the quote thing... |
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woutski
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Posted : Mar 4, 2005 15:39
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filter
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Posted : Mar 8, 2005 18:48
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about cosma specifically, i really dont understand why his music became so important after he passed away.
from what i have read he was a very good guy and people loved him, but his music was never anything special... and i dont remember seeing so much people talking about his stuff when he was alive...
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Posted : Mar 15, 2005 20:39
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On 2005-03-08 18:48, filter wrote:
about cosma specifically, i really dont understand why his music became so important after he passed away.
from what i have read he was a very good guy and people loved him, but his music was never anything special... and i dont remember seeing so much people talking about his stuff when he was alive...
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Well, in according to your reaction about Cosma... I guess it's a common way to react now. Because I agree that this thing has become too big.
And to be honest, sadly i wouldn't really care That much if some other artist in the multitude, anywhere, would ..sort of...dissapear like this.
And i guess some of the people praising Cosma now didn't even listen to his music while he actually was alive. But I did, and personally i really saw a great future in his work, though my pretentious visions faded away two years ago by the incident.
Yeah, I guess Cosma is overhyped by his death, Which is too bad - Becuase he deserved all this credit while he was still alive!
And to explain why; the music he created has a very special spirit to it, there's just few acts out there that adds this emotional touch... Even if it's deeper prog or something like that, in the end it's mostly a swirl of sounds or just empty dancefloor grooves that you have to be in a good mood to appreciate. But his music is really great for home-listening too, not only designed to work at parties and danefloors. I mean that Cosma managed to create that special mood by himself, he had the talent to lead any listener into that state (believe me, people i know that don't like psy at all almost wet their eyes while listening to some chosen moments of Cosma). Not much music is kind of related to a subtle theme, a dimension and a vibe that Cosma were able to capture.
This guy managed to create some totally outstanding moments over a few years - and to know there was even more great to come....I've heard about every track he released and the fact that he was planning a downtempo album after "Nonstop" makes me go nuts. Damn, not even his progressive tracks or his full dancefloor stompers were on a different level (than most of the shit in this scene imo), Cosma's various chill-out contributions were just absolutely awesome!
I strongly believe that the quality of the music in this scene would have been far better today if Cosma were alive and free to share the vibes he decided to put his hands on. In that way he also may had inspired other producers (some with really bad role models these days  to walk in the same direction as him. Because most of the music i desperately search for today lacks to do that. There are just too few producers now that are able to create and guide me into this special, untouchable mood.
The only way to pass through that is to move on and hope the future will show some artists, that not only are focused on to make people jumping & screaming, that also are focused on the emotional aspects of sound and dance. |
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