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We Need A Time! (Producer question)
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Kavarez
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Posted : Nov 29, 2005 19:43
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E-motion, tks 4 u do 4 me. U little guide help me a lot to open my mind.
EYB, whem i talk about "ultra stupid rulez" u want 2 say what? I think this rulez help me to understand the basic stuffs on Psytrance Music Produc. When i learn Guitar (Pantera, Metallica, Slayer, Antrax and others...) my first step is learn the way they play and them play his songs.
ALL OF US NEED SOME RULEZ IN START BECAUSE IF U DONT HAVE ANY RULEZ U CANT NEVER BREAK THEM!
I talking about Nirvana, Metallica, Psytrance and others music hows break the world fucking stuped music money industri rulez.
Pls dont be anger with ppl like me hows try get learn something.
We need a Master to become the one. The One is all power and respect 4 others.
The Matrix is broken 4 The One but, hows open her mind? Morpheus!!!
So u can be Morpheus and me just a little human trying do something cool 4 another ppl break the Matrix.
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Andreh
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Posted : Nov 29, 2005 19:49
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EYB
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Posted : Nov 29, 2005 23:27
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@rotten thx 
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On 2005-11-29 19:43, Kavarez wrote:
E-motion, tks 4 u do 4 me. U little guide help me a lot to open my mind.
EYB, whem i talk about "ultra stupid rulez" u want 2 say what? I think this rulez help me to understand the basic stuffs on Psytrance Music Produc. When i learn Guitar (Pantera, Metallica, Slayer, Antrax and others...) my first step is learn the way they play and them play his songs.
ALL OF US NEED SOME RULEZ IN START BECAUSE IF U DONT HAVE ANY RULEZ U CANT NEVER BREAK THEM!
I talking about Nirvana, Metallica, Psytrance and others music hows break the world fucking stuped music money industri rulez.
Pls dont be anger with ppl like me hows try get learn something.
We need a Master to become the one. The One is all power and respect 4 others.
The Matrix is broken 4 The One but, hows open her mind? Morpheus!!!
So u can be Morpheus and me just a little human trying do something cool 4 another ppl break the Matrix.
TKS 4 ALL U SUPPORT.
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@Kavarez sorry, wasn't a offence against u. The point is there is no rule about arranging psytrance. If u make a rule for urself how u want to work, thats ok, but don't try to find rules in psytrance arrangments and copy them. Sure u can do it. No problem for at all. But the results wont be surprising arrangments. Maybe read Kitnams last threat where he takes some thoughts about this stuff in a nice direction.
Peace Neo 
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NikC
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Posted : Nov 30, 2005 14:28
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EYB is right Kavarez...
If you find rules, eventually you'll only feel safe using those rules.
The point is there are no rules, apart from finding what will make people dance, trip and have a great time.
As EYB says, sure you can find the rules... but will you be satisfied?
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Kavarez
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Posted : Nov 30, 2005 15:59
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EYB, NikC:
U right! Now i see what u talking about. Now i feel what u say... Now i know: THERE´S NO SPOON!
Obs: I use the "Matrix" ideas 4 explain how important is the comunication with the Masters. I can use the "Star Wars", "Budha", "Jesus" and many other masters to explain how important the "Masters Unknow Words" can be.
Tks 4 u all. |
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Kavarez
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Posted : Nov 30, 2005 16:08
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Hmmm... Im trying... im trying... |
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andrejcid
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Posted : Nov 30, 2005 16:28
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what do u meen there r no rules? get real...psytrance is almost all bout standardised technical rules
it wouldnt sound so damn the same if it wasnt.
most of it in 4/4 beats with broken bass in between etc etc.
I guess some will get offended by this, but thats what I personally feel about this music. Ask someone u know thats not into psytrance to listen to 10 tracks...it will all sound generally the same to them. Our ears are quite adjusted to the music, so we can pick up much of the differences. but the prevailing elitism and the judgemental attitude of many in the trance scene towards other styles of music (i.e. underestimating everything thats not psytrance) is really narrowing the amplitude of ideas and variety in psytrance music....which makes the music vary in details, but the general feel of it is very technical.
On the other hand there are quite a few out there that are truely original..no point in naming them really...
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EYB
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Posted : Nov 30, 2005 17:07
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@andrejcid read proper what is written. Nobody says there are no rules in general. We are talking about arranging psytrance (oh no not about how to arrange 4/4 kicks in a row). Sure u have to learn technique to become a good producer. And that there ten tracks sound the same is no reason to produce ur music also in this way with this sound. If u want to u can, but u know then that there are already at least ten similiar tracks.
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Kavarez
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Posted : Nov 30, 2005 18:42
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Andrejcid, i know what u say. All songs have one way to get inside of an style. Heavy Metal, Techno, Psytrance, Samba, and many others.
I start this topic 2 get an help from someone and, i realy happy with the way we go in conversations because now we are talking about the "Music Mind".
All the songs have the physical body but they also have a soul. Can u see this? Body and Soul in songs? I think i need know the Psytrance Body and them take a break and concentrat in Psychedelic Mind Sound.
EYA, i think u talking about MIND. But i need know more the phisical body of the Psytrance songs. |
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Jikkenteki
Jikkenteki
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Posted : Dec 1, 2005 08:26
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Personally I am always amused by these learn the rules vs don't learn the rules discussions. I'm always reminded of a quote by a famous artist (the name escapes me) then someone asked him wouldn't a student learning the rules and classical theory of the art in question destroy the student's creativity. The teacher's reply was "if his creativity is so weak that it can't survive learning the rules, then it deserves to die."
I basically completely agree with this. If your creativity can't survive learning what people have done until now, then you really have nothing new to offer in the first place whether you learn the "rules" or not. I say learn the rules, study why they work (or don't work) and then when you have internalized them, set them aside. If learned properly, the "rules" simply help you get what's inside your head onto the computer more easily and not a paint by numbers kit.
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NikC
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Posted : Dec 1, 2005 15:32
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To clarify, by "rules" in my last post... I meant rules of track structure and arranging, in reference to Kavarez's original question.
@Jikkenteki, I am a classical musician as well as a producer, I know full well how important learning and knowledge of the past is when creating something new... it is the definition of Avant Garde, using the past to create something fresh...
However my belief is that, in psychedelic trance, although there are certain conventions which define it as psytrance (which is what andrejcid i believe was talking about) the actual arranging is up to you...
There is no pre-defined psytrance structure, merely pre-defined ideas of what makes a track sound like psytrance.... otherwise there would be no difference between euro-trance and psytrance would there?
Psytrance is not the same as e.g. Rondo form where the structure governs the piece... psytrance is supposed to bend perceptions, surprise, and be interesting to listen to... If you follow a certain structure every time, it is bound to end up being unsurprising and therefore unstimulating.
Also, the reason psytrance sounds the same to other people who aren't 'into it', is the same reason that all metal/house/hip-hop/pop sounds the same to some people who aren't into that! That point of your argument is therefore not valid. We hear each track individually because we like it! www.myspace.com/beat_nik |
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Jikkenteki
Jikkenteki
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Posted : Dec 1, 2005 17:30
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On 2005-12-01 15:32, NikC wrote:
Also, the reason psytrance sounds the same to other people who aren't 'into it', is the same reason that all metal/house/hip-hop/pop sounds the same to some people who aren't into that! That point of your argument is therefore not valid. We hear each track individually because we like it!
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I actually completely agree with you and I wasn't making any sort of argument one way or the other so I don't see how it can't be valid I just find it amusing when some people (you were not one of the "one"s I refering to) argue "it must be this" and then someone else argues "no, it must be that" when usually it must be both at the same time. Hence my "internalize the rules, then forget them" comment.
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NikC
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Posted : Dec 1, 2005 17:38
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On 2005-12-01 15:32, NikC wrote:
Also, the reason psytrance sounds the same to other people who aren't 'into it', is the same reason that all metal/house/hip-hop/pop sounds the same to some people who aren't into that! That point of your argument is therefore not valid. We hear each track individually because we like it!
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I actually completely agree with you and I wasn't making any sort of argument one way or the other so I don't see how it can't be valid I just find it amusing when some people (you were not one of the "one"s I refering to) argue "it must be this" and then someone else argues "no, it must be that" when usually it must be both at the same time. Hence my "internalize the rules, then forget them" comment.
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Ah...  I understand what you mean now, yeah I agree with you completely... sometimes it must be both - or sometimes even it must be neither 
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ThiagoNAKA
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Posted : Dec 1, 2005 17:59
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Thanks Akavarez for the words about High End Records. Actually I´m doing the managing and A&R work for the label.
Just an info: The Tropical Storm cd is from WFC, not High End.
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Kavarez
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Posted : Dec 1, 2005 21:10
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Just an info: The Tropical Storm cd is from WFC, not High End.
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Ow my god! Sorry about that. Im say this wrong info because i love the SKULPTOR song in this cd(Skulptor - Walking In The Lords Field). HIGH-END REC and SKULPTOR is the same good quality 4 me. The best in Brazil Psytrance. Now u have another good ppl in HIGH-END the Hyperceptiohm(do im right?). They are good to but... u have Lipe Forbes and he is SKULPTOR so... HIGH-END REC U BRING ON IN BRAZIL!
Obs: Se o Skulptor confirmar, vamos tocar na mesma festa no natal(não sei se antes ou depois dele). Ja tive essa oportunidade em São Carlos na festa Psychomind em junho 2005. Essa festa foi simplesmente excelente! |
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