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ThiagoNAKA
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Posted : May 9, 2005 22:47

Hey ppl... IДd like to know a lit bit more about the compressor of this plugin...

ThatДs what I do here: I try to make the line of the compressor the "more straight" possible... Is it right?

If so, I can guess that if the line of the high is too low, I need to increase the gain of the high freq... Does this mean that in "overall" my track needs more high freq??? Actually the part that is really annoying me is after break, and when thereДs a reverse fx with some synths(the line of high go very low).

Any extras infos about it would be very nice!

Spindrift
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Posted : May 9, 2005 23:07

The lines go down when the sound is loud.
So if it's pumping down in the treble a lot you have a bit more treble. It's basically displaying gain reduction.

Of course the priority values influence how much the lines go down, and you are better of using a spectral analyzer to learn how your mixes frequency balance should look.
But the display in the L3 will give you a rough idea about any major unbalance.

There is no fixed rules but generally on a tight mix you should use maximum some 5-6Db reduction.

The main thing is to think of two things though:
Firstly that there is no audible artifacts. The bass will sound very bad with too much reduction going on.
Secondly, compare with in your opinion well mastered releases. You don't really want to make your track a lot louder than other releases but keep it on the same percived loudness.

The priority is handy if you think that for example the bass is already very compressed and you want to keep it that way. Then you would up the priority and compression in that band will be reduced while the overall frequency is intact.

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Colin OOOD
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Posted : May 10, 2005 00:34

Changing the priority is also a good way of avoiding having the track 'pump' if there's something loud in another frequency - you can keep the bass rock-solid no matter what's going on up top.

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Spindrift
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Posted : May 10, 2005 01:56

I haven't noticed the bass starting pumping from having other frequencies too loud myself I must admit.
The whole idea with a multiband is that it should not have that effect I thought.
But it can reduce the pumping of a individual frequency band for sure.

Another thing that can be worthwhile is to completly bypass the limiter on the bass as well sometimes if it is too perfect to be touched at all.

Colin OOOD
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Posted : May 10, 2005 03:51

I've had pumping using broadband limiters like L2, where a sudden burst of mid-frequency sound has made the entire track duck for a second, oblliterating whatever else is going on at that point, but as you say Spindrift that is much less of a problem with a multiband limiter. The way priorities work with L3 (as I understand it) is that low-priority bands are more likely to have their gain reduced if higher-priority bands go over their limiting threshold - so raising the priority for the bass band all the way is a good way of making sure that it doesn't get its gain reduced because of an especially loud sound occuring in another band. I might be wrong here though; that's just how it seemed to me.

ThiagoNAKA
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Posted : May 10, 2005 07:19

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On 2005-05-10 03:51, Colin OOOD wrote:
I've had pumping using broadband limiters like L2, where a sudden burst of mid-frequency sound has made the entire track duck for a second

Exactly!

And Spindrift, comparing my track with others mastered tracks, I still need more "gain", but I canДt cause of what Colin said. Too much "compression" I think...

About the frequencies... Seems that somehow I "lose the harmony" between mid and high on my tracks.. If I put less high, the sound is not good... Even itДs showing me that is too loud..

Spindrift
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Posted : May 10, 2005 20:05

Thanks Colin for confusing me a bit and make me think about what I took for granted.

I had a look at what waves say about the L3, and it does indeed seem to function in a different way than other multiband compressors/limiters.

Normally the bands is totally separated and hence the volume of one band should not affect the other.
But waves have used a bit of trickery to maintain maximum loudness over the whole frequency spectrum, which could mean that like Colin said there would be an effect where one band influence the other.

This is what they say about the functionality of the L3:

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The PLMixer then uses psychoacoustic criteria to intelligently decide how much attenuation to apply to each band so that all available headroom is used. The result is that intermodulation is minimized and overall loudness is maximized, while brick-wall limiting is still maintainedall while retaining the simplicity of a single master threshold control.

Unlike traditional multi-band limiters, the PLMixer doesnt require a wide band peak limiter to catch overshoots generated by individual band adjustments. Instead, the PLMixer automatically controls the gain relationship between the bands.

The L3's Priority control allows the user to control the relative limiting of each band. This unique control lets users adjust the tonal character of the L3 over a wide range, while maintaining brick-wall limiting.

According to my experience I would still think that the main reason for boositing priority would be that you want to reduce the limiting for a certain band.
But I will experiment a bit and see if I can note some intermodulation between the bands as well and if the priority will affect that.
I just presumed that it acts like most other multiband limiters and didn't really try it out.

Colin OOOD
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Posted : May 10, 2005 20:59

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On 2005-05-10 20:05, Spindrift wrote:
According to my experience I would still think that the main reason for boositing priority would be that you want to reduce the limiting for a certain band.

That's almost exactly what I said, but in different words! The main point being that L3 is a maximising limiter, so all bands are initially boosted by the difference between the threshold and the output level; if, momentarily, more gain is required for a particular band than is available without limiting, lower priority bands will be have their gain reduced to provide the necessary headroom.

I think...

Also, I think that intermodulation between bands is in some way dependent on the setting of the 'separation' fader... there is sooooo much more to this than L2!

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