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Want to make Goa, but where do I start?
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lithium72
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Posted : May 18, 2005 20:06
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I've been making NRG and hard trance for a while, but I really want to make goa/psytrance. I'm not sure where to began though. I guess this is a stupid question but how does goa differ from other trance styles? I mean coming from the prospective of making nrg and hard trance, what elements if any are the same and what differs? |
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mubali
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Posted : May 18, 2005 20:31
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By reading the FAQ... that will really assist you.
I have a background in Hard Dance and you'll be surprised how many similarities there are between the two styles...
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Meta
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Posted : May 18, 2005 21:03
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how does goa differ from other trance styles? I mean coming from the prospective of making nrg and hard trance, what elements if any are the same and what differs?
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Well, according to Chemical Crew... no difference!
Ba-dum-bump.
Seriously though, just listen to a variety of Psy trance in the mindset of analysis rather than to enjoy listening. Off the top of my head, I'd say that the melodies and leads are given more "space" by using delay and reverb effects, as opposed to NRG that has more in-your-face hard and raw synth lines. I haven't listened to any NRG in a while though so it's hard to form an analysis...
As you'll see from many of the debates on this board, there are many kinds of Psy-trance sub genres now, do you have a specific idea in mind? One of the reasons Chemical Crew has been so successful is that that they really DID blend NRG and Hard-house with psy-trance, and now have a distinctive 'sound'.
The darker Russian stuff is more of a blend of industrial and experimental genres, where as a lot of new Israeli "Full On" is a kind of psy-take on fluffy Euro melodic trance.
So what you're asking kind of depends on what you're trying to do. http://soundcloud.com/aeon604
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john_c
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Posted : May 18, 2005 21:49
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The synths in hard dance act like "stabs", they are static sounds usually. In psytrance, its about evolving sounds. think lfo's and modulation. also if you want those "classic" goa melodies, you have to understand diff scales, middle eastern influenced melodies. the biggest difference is the bassline and for that, read the mother of all basslines thread here (its a sticky). thing i dont get is, if you dont know what psy is, how do u know u want to make it? just make what inspires u and forget what genre it falls into. |
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mubali
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Posted : May 18, 2005 22:18
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Another thing that I have been noticing about that genre recently is that many of the UK producers are using more and more psy like production tactics to their tracks... I actually am working on a track for my album with a little know us Hard dance producer and it's very interesting to see how just adding a delay changes a hard dance sound to a psy sound...
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NikC
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Posted : May 19, 2005 11:36
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On 2005-05-18 22:18, mubali wrote:
...it's very interesting to see how just adding a delay changes a hard dance sound to a psy sound...
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Very true...
However another factor which is a big difference between Psy and Hard-Trance is the production values...
Hard Dance tracks generally have quite dirty obviously sampled kicks with too little punch, there isn't the same precision in kick and bass as there is in Psy, which tends to use cleaner kicks with pre-sub clicks.
There is also a different mind-set in terms of percussion and riffs, there is less of a feeling that the same section has just been put on loop for 3 minutes, and the percussion tends to be more precise and more varied in terms of influences... many tracks use congas and bongos as well as ethnic percussion sounds...
Anyway, the biggest tip i have is to LISTEN..
and then, as the saying goes,you will learn 
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EYB
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Posted : May 19, 2005 11:53
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Make some strange twisted noises with some strange rythms and maybe some alienated melodies and there u go with some FRESH goa.
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sy000321
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Posted : May 19, 2005 13:53
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nopeeeee
forget all that
just take a lot of acid, go to a lot of partys and buy as many equipment as you can.....
also quitting your job and givin' up on baths will only improve your style and off course your musicality 
(lololol just joking)
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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EYB
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Posted : May 19, 2005 17:13
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On 2005-05-19 13:53, sy000321 wrote:
nopeeeee
forget all that
just take a lot of acid, go to a lot of partys and buy as many equipment as you can.....
also quitting your job and givin' up on baths will only improve your style and off course your musicality
(lololol just joking)
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hehehe
Thats the way to go 
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sy000321
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Posted : May 19, 2005 17:14
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and don't forget to bitch about VST 
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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mubali
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Posted : May 19, 2005 22:01
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You do have an excellent point about the production values... Last night I was working with a couple of Hard dance and techno producers and I kinda had to school them on how to properly use eq... I have noticed that the kick bass combo for hard dance is definitely really dirty for the most part, and it was funny to see them try to make a psy kick and bass combination and wonder why it sounded crappy..... But the biggest thing is to approach production very carefully.
This forum really is one of the true keys to finding out what you really need to know for the technical end of producing psytrance... Just take in all the information and experiment with the tips and see which tips work for you and which ones don't... And just because some of the people giving tips are in the blue lettering doesn't mean all of their advice is going to work for you. Take what you need and create your own theories from there....
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On 2005-05-19 11:36, NikC wrote:
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On 2005-05-18 22:18, mubali wrote:
...it's very interesting to see how just adding a delay changes a hard dance sound to a psy sound...
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Very true...
However another factor which is a big difference between Psy and Hard-Trance is the production values...
Hard Dance tracks generally have quite dirty obviously sampled kicks with too little punch, there isn't the same precision in kick and bass as there is in Psy, which tends to use cleaner kicks with pre-sub clicks.
There is also a different mind-set in terms of percussion and riffs, there is less of a feeling that the same section has just been put on loop for 3 minutes, and the percussion tends to be more precise and more varied in terms of influences... many tracks use congas and bongos as well as ethnic percussion sounds...
Anyway, the biggest tip i have is to LISTEN..
and then, as the saying goes,you will learn
Just do what inspired you!
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dr.hoffman
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Posted : May 20, 2005 06:03
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On 2005-05-18 20:06, lithium72 wrote:
I've been making NRG and hard trance for a while, but I really want to make goa/psytrance. I'm not sure where to began though. I guess this is a stupid question but how does goa differ from other trance styles? I mean coming from the prospective of making nrg and hard trance, what elements if any are the same and what differs?
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Oont U might need to schedule an appointment with Doctor Hoffman  |
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fregle
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Posted : May 20, 2005 17:21
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jeezes guys, we already have a bad reputation when it comes to drugs, don't start telling people that they need to drop acid to make music it won't help anyway, cuz u can't read screens/panels properly anymore... |
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sy000321
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Posted : May 20, 2005 17:22
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lololo... but worth the try...
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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Natural Zoo
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Posted : May 21, 2005 12:11
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listen to goa style To Know the better way how to got in and then find u a site or download program that u can download the sound pads and vocals that you need for it . but i think that allways is better to creat and produc new styls then go back at time |
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