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Want to help with my new desktop config.? thanks!
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trancedelux
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Posted : Jun 13, 2007 16:46
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I thought about getting a lower spec PC, but it will be obsolete sooner than a newer machine (Einstein has talked). Besides, what do I need the most now? I think that TODAY, I can get the best out of a fast PC than from a great soundcard and monitors.. it will take a long time until I get to the part of "sounding better".. First, i have to learn how to use all the software and stuff like that. And, also, I know that in 12 months from now I'll have the money enough to buy a better soundcard and everything else I need.
Does it sound reasonable or not??
One thing that is true, is that i'm going broke after buying the PC and soundcard hehe.. so let's give it a try and suggest me a cheaper PC config., would you?? |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jun 13, 2007 17:36
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Sure if you get a lower spec it will become obsolete faster...but the fact is that it costs to be on the cutting edge, and it's for most people not necessary to be able to run the amount of plugins and tracks they need.
You can still update to a newer machine in a couple of years when you feel the need, but by staying a year or so behind you are saving a lot, which is nice if you are on a budget.
I wouldn't think that having a powerful machine is the most important when you are starting out.
To learn to use your plugins do you need to hear them well through good sound card and monitors, and not run as many as possible at the same time.
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Kalimamboh
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Posted : Jun 14, 2007 14:35
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Trancedelux has been more than 3 years now that I am producing psytrance , since one year thing are getting serious my first album is almost finish and I 've sold various tracks on different labels ; by the way I am the producer of Dejavoo with my fella dj Kristian this is the link : http://www.myspace.com/dejavoo303 and also some stuff as a solo artist here : http://www.myspace.com/kalimamboh69
There is a little showcase of what I sound like and this music as been produced on a dated machine...
cpu AMD 64 3800 (not dual) asus M2V-TVM mother board ; 1 gb ram; a cheap N-vidia geforce 6500 256mb Graphic card and one samsung 250GB HD Emu 0404 soundcard.
As you can see not cutting edge at all, I could have bought a better machine but I did want to invest in good monitors which happened to be the Dynaudio BM6 active. And they do a hell of difference from my previous tannoys...I don't run 60 trax at once or use 1000 sinths or use 8 fx per channel so why invest in a machine that can do that, and also if you listen to top productions and I am talking on the best sounding ones like Hommega, Spun and all the big labels you'll see or better ear that there are not too many elements playng at the same time, but you'll notice that every single sound is very well crafted and massive...
So my friend get a cheaper machine and get decent monitors, this is the best advice I can give you than with time you'll upgrade your pc.
Only 3 weeks ago I 've build a super pc with the money of the tracks I've sold, and sold my old pc to a friend so as you can see thanx to the monitors I've managed to get a better machine and to tell you the truth even if the machine is a lot faster and looks and feel super cool it does not make such a huge difference from the one I had previously, honestly no need for all the frills ...
Ok it has been a long one sorry for being sooo boring but I wanted to give you a good picture of what you really need in my humble opinion.
Take care and good luck with your music M8
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trancedelux
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Posted : Jun 14, 2007 19:28
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Spindrift, I think you're making a point here...
And to Kalimamboh, very nice tracks man..I heard Dejavoo and your solo projet (E motion is excellent), good work! And good information and feedback is never too much or boring. I like it when people take their time to explain things, so thanks!
It's true, I don't the the fastes machine right away.. Now I'll start looking for a cheaper PC configuration.. and maybe spend the difference in a good audio interface.
I was planning to buy the M-audio audiophile 2496 (US$95), but now I'm going to hear your comments about a better interface, for about US$250-300.. I think that I can buy a good audio interface with $300, right? And a decent couple of monitors too. Here's the link to my post regarding the soundcard I need: http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/77173/forum/2/start/255 (PAGE 18)
Thanks for yous inputs, and for the ones to come! |
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Kalimamboh
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Posted : Jun 15, 2007 15:46
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Hi trancedelux don't go for the m audio, had 2 in the past and always had problems with drivers, if you don't need to record live instruments and do all in the software and digital dominium I would go for the EMU 0404 ; it has 2 in; 2 out; midi in/out ;etc it has also a dsp engine so you can use the fx on board without loading the cpu which is quite handy if you don't have a very powerful PC. Sound quality is quite good, ( I had one before so I know!!!)good converters and the latency is very low , in UK costs around £55 which is about 100-110 US dollars so like this you have more to spend on monitors or controller 
For a controller get something not to fancy all you need really is a keyboard, and a couple of knobs .
EMU controllers are cheap and good, even edirol and novation but more expensive.
Ok mate keep us informed on your moves 
And good luck .... |
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trancedelux
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Posted : Jun 15, 2007 18:55
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Hi Kalimamboh, 2 in and 2 outs.. I know that's enough to produce with software and digital dominium as you say... but wouldn't it be better to get more inputs and outputs so I won't be short of them in the near future?
Once I was told to get a lower specs PC and to get an audio interface that sounds better instead, I decided to raise the budget for the interface up to US$300... becasue I thought that I'd have to spend that amount in order to have a good sounding interface. But if you say that Emu 0404 sounds good and that is a good interface, good drivers, etc .. it would be great! I'd have $200 extra to spend on monitors!
If I want to give prority to good sound and not to a super-fast PC, should I go for the Emu 0404 for US$100.-?? is it enough? |
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trancedelux
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Posted : Jun 15, 2007 20:03
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And what about the A/D- D/A converters? are they good?
Now, as one friend told me (he's been producing for a while), I won't get the best out of the monitors with this audio interface.. so I'm really clueless here.. Don't know which way to go.
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Kalimamboh
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Posted : Jun 16, 2007 00:58
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man here we are talking about to get the most out of a tight budget , the emu 0404 is a very good interface for $100 us dollars, I have a motu 828 mk2 now and is a lot better but new costs around $ 1000 if not more....so man for my personal experience and working with different set ups , and I've tried a few intensively , m-audio; rme ;motu;emu......the M-audio are not that good, didn't like it the drivers behave very strangely. For a good sound card semi pro you need to spend $1000 us dollars, and more you spend better you'll get...this is the rule.
M8 this is a very expensive hobby or activity, you'll need always more, power sound and and toys than you have to spend a lot of time learning stuff, and sorting out things..... production is a wonderful universe, where you tweak and bend the rules , but man you really have to like it and at the beginning is quite hard to get things sounding good. And as a starting point I advise you to don't over spend on things you'll rarely use , keep it easy and simple.
Ok body take care and try to see what you can get with your budget and try to work it around, for example get a cheap screen, not a game graphics card and so on.....good luck m8 getting too long over here
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trancedelux
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Posted : Jun 16, 2007 01:35
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Well, yes...I'll keep it simple. You're right Kalimamboh. I get complicated sometimes when it comes to choose the "right" option.
Emu 0404 is more than enough to start, even more considering that I won't be using a synth, just a controller.
Step by step.
Thanks a lot everybody!! |
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Seppa
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Posted : Jun 16, 2007 13:18
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Saving on the computer parts to get a $100 audio interface is stupid to say the least.
I would stick to your computer setup without saving. YOu're bying a computer today. Some of those advicing you to get a lower config have bought theirs years ago. todays programs run best on todays hardware...... Be very carefull, you could regret it.
Build your system slowly, or you will find yourself bying more then once the same item, because you were not satified. So build your pc get this $100 soundcard if thats what you want. get good headphones and save up for some good monitor which you don't need right now and you cannot afford now anyway wether you save up or not on the computer.
Second once you get good monitor you gonna want to get a good sound card. so save up.
You can get a good pair of headphones for £100-£150 in the mean time. its best to do music on good headphones than on average monitor. I can tell you which one is the best in my opinion but you're free to go and start a thread to get everyone's opinion.
Save up ...Save up! If you don't want to waste your money and time. |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jun 16, 2007 13:53
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I'm running today's software without problem on my machine. I'm not sure if your trying to imply that older hardware will not run the latest software well due to some incompatibilities or if you think that everyone really need the fastest CPU on the market to have a productive environment?
Surely you can run more stuff at the same time on the latest hardware, but I very rarely run out of resources on my machine, and if I do I simply freeze the track.
Anyway I'm much happier with a €300 computer and €800 monitors than I would be with a €1000 computer and a pair of €100 headphones.
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Seppa
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Posted : Jun 16, 2007 14:35
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Good for you then !
Just a question, when you bought yours did you pay 300 euros for it ?
And really there is no need to spend as much as a 1000 euros on it |
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Seppa
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Posted : Jun 16, 2007 14:51
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Excuse me but I know a lot of people including me that couldn't run half a project with a system like that now a days.
I guess it depends on how you work. Nothing wrong actually its pretty good if you can...... I just think that now a days people have the possibility of running stuff freely without the need to bounce or freeze stuff, which makes it easier to modify stuff on the fly.
just a word of topic: I hate the freeze function. |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jun 16, 2007 15:05
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Yeah...I got it of an auction site a few months ago for €300.
All quality stuff like ASUS MB, Cheiftec chassi, Plextor DVD/CD writer, Philips display, Logitech keyboard and mouse.
Actually I was quite ok with my old Athlon +1800 I used before that, but it was a sweet deal so I had to get it.
Also I just got a €320 Inspiron 8500 for live/DJ use with 2.4 GHZ P4, 1GB RAM and a 1900x1200 display, which I think I will be quite happy to produce with when travelling as well.
Back in the days when whatever you did the CPU was the restraining factor I spent crazy amounts on my computer, but today I don't see that a faster computer would do anything to enhance my productivity so I think it's great to be able to pick up s/h bargains for next to no money.
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orange
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Posted : Jun 16, 2007 15:06
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Excuse me but I know a lot of people including me that couldn't run half a project with a system like that now a days.
I guess it depends on how you work. Nothing wrong actually its pretty good if you can...... I just think that now a days people have the possibility of running stuff freely without the need to bounce or freeze stuff, which makes it easier to modify stuff on the fly.
just a word of topic: I hate the freeze function.
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im totally software the last year im sometimes maxing the E6600 with 2g 667ram and optimized for audio i hate exports and freeze i want total control over the sound until the end of the track!
in my opinion is to get the best pc u can and than save to get a proper soundcard and monitors cos now and future plugins are getting very cpu hungry!
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