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Want to help with my new desktop config.? thanks!
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Seppa
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Posted : Jun 9, 2007 00:15
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Just want to add this. I think I give good advices.
I'm maybe new to this forum but not new to computers and engineering. I have enough experience to know whats good and whats worth.
In the future I would suggest you read properly and try to understand what is being said. And when you join a conversation in the middle try to find out what was said earlier.
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jun 9, 2007 01:33
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On 2007-06-09 00:03, Seppa wrote:
Don't make me say things I didn't.
I told that he did not need it for a start. And I explained under which circonstances its needed. |
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The only problem was that you gave the wrong information under what circumstances you need a RAID configuration.
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So I will take back the 16 track count |
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Good...about time.
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But do not forget that you brought the digi into account, and they do mention a 32 track limit. which I beleive brings us in the region of 16 stereo tracks. |
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The 32 tracks is not a definitive limit.
They say that you should get that track count, but I've seen benchmarks getting more than that.
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One file is not one data. A file is composed by many bits of info. The hd does not recall files but datas. it will recall more datas for a stereo file than for mono file.where and how its access depends on many factors.
If the hd is fragmented it will take longer to get the datas out. because you might have a single file where its data are all over the hd.
In the case of a defragmented hd you might have the datas of 2 distincts file in line and therefore go faster.
I don't know if I make sense to you. I but I hope so.
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No, I'm afraid that doesn't make any sense.
The data of one file will be gathered in one location by defragmenting. Two different files will still be spread out.
So what happens when you read two mono files instead of one stereo is that in effect the drive will have to work as one it's reading one fragmented file.
The heads will move around back and forth between the files locations getting some data here and some data there resulting in a slower operation.
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Just want to add this. I think I give good advices.
I'm maybe new to this forum but not new to computers and engineering. I have enough experience to know whats good and whats worth.
In the future I would suggest you read properly and try to understand what is being said. And when you join a conversation in the middle try to find out what was said earlier.
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Whatever....I don't care how much experience you have and certainly not how long you've been a forum member.
I only reacted to the information you posted since I know for a fact that it was incorrect.
No need to tell me to read the whole conversation even after you agree that what I had an issue with was wrong.
I suggest that in the future if you don't know what you are talking about don't just pull numbers out of your ass and present them as fact.
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trancedelux
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Posted : Jun 9, 2007 01:44
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Folks, I appreciate your help.. but I think the last 2 pages ar off topic. I know It's valuable information, but please let's keep it simple and just discuss the PC configuration for my first DAW.
Have a great weekend! |
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Seppa
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Posted : Jun 9, 2007 01:55
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TO Spindrift: your are smart and dishonnest , and I've let myself tragged out of context.
Trancedelux , sorry mate if went off topic. I gave you all the info I feel you need regarding the subject.
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jun 9, 2007 02:58
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Oh yes the OT 
When it comes to processor and MB I have lost touch since there was a while since I last built a system so there I'm not the right person to give advice.
But I will try a bit to try to get the topic back on track 
I would like a bigger display than 17" or two of them.
A good quiet chassi with a decent PSU included at a reasonable cost is the Antec Sonata.
Seagate disks is fast, reliable and quiet in my experience.
For CD/DVD NEC is good burners but not too expensive.
When it comes to keyboards, once you used the Logitech Ultra-X you don't want to use anything else.
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Kadavr
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Posted : Jun 9, 2007 07:06
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Seppa
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Posted : Jun 9, 2007 13:44
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Kadavr:
the p5w is very good for overclocking, It is pretty stable but not as stable as a the intel.
The intel runs the 965 which is newer than the 975x chipset. the 965 is combined with ich8 which is a more modern sounth bridge with more busses for the different peripherirals. ich7 is older but still acceptable.
If you are into overclockin with good experience than the p5w combined with the right cpu and the right ram is the best way to go.
It would be like having a ferrari that might need to go to the garage once in a while for tweaking.
If you are into reliability, I'd go for the intel which has more peripherals like usb and firewire.
its is extremely stable, and will not need much tweaking in the bios to make it worth.
A word on psu and cooling now:
Its vital for me to have a silent computer especially for audio.
The corsair psus are the most stable in term of current and very low noise. do not beleive the brands noise rate. its usually a lie, they do not take into account the noise caused by the vibration of the psu part. http://www.corsair.com/products/hx.aspx
There is another 2 brand which I beleive are good but this is the best buy.
Noctua NH-U12F is a heatsink combined with a very low noise fan. it is the best on the market. 8db (beat that) of noise which I'd say noiseless, both motherboard support it. it cost around £30 http://www.noctua.at/main.php?show=productview&products_id=6&lng=en
For a complete noiseless system it is best to have a fan for the exit right under the psu.
The reason is if you use the fan psu to evacuate the heat cause by the cpu, the psu fan system will be most the running at full speed. While if you have a Fan at the back right in front of the psu the heat will throuwn out without going through the psu.
The noctua NF-S12-800 fan is the shit for that, very low noise.
I'm reposting the config for people that are interested cause there is been some off topic.
Motherboard Intel DP965LT intel 965
CPU Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Dual 2.4Ghz – 4Mb
RAM Corsair TWIN2X2048-6400 2Gb DDR2 PC6400 800Mhz CL5 matched pair
System drive Samsung HD080HJ SpinPoint P80 80Gb – SATA300, 7200 rpm, 8MB
Audio Drive Samsung SP2504C SpinPoint P120 250Gb – SATA300, 7200 rpm, 8MB
Heatsink Noctua NH-U12F the best and more silent heat sink on the market
PSu Corsair HX520W
@Kadavr if you go for the p5w instead the e6600 is a perfect match for overclocking, you can make it fly!
----[If you go for this I remind you that its not a raid system and that it is best to get the 2 hardrives so you do have a dedicated hd for audio]----
It is a real pleasure to have a machine you cannot hear and that ouperforms most system.
So if you want to go for this type of system you can go with confidence. You now have all the info you need.
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Kadavr
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Posted : Jun 9, 2007 18:16
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great, thanks a lot for your input. |
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trancedelux
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Posted : Jun 12, 2007 18:08
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Mates, how really important is having PSU and case for separate? because I already changed the CPU and Motherboard I originally wanted, and my budget isn't enough.. I could save like US$100 buying a case with an integrated PSU (500w)... and since I'm just starting, I guess I shouldn't be SO picky and that I shouldn't want it all and right now. I'm not a pro, and in my humble opinion i think that for starting I don't need the optimum configuration...
I'm trying to cut the budget, without touching the cpu,ram and hd. I choose a cheaper graphic card (MSI 7300LE 256 pci-e with no fan) and a case with integrated psu. And maybe I could buy another notherboard? Not Intel, but still with the 965 chipset?
What do you think? |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jun 12, 2007 18:37
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Having a quality case is of course not really important as long as the cooling is good and fans i quiet.
But keep in mind that the case is the one of the things that probably stays with you the longest and hence worthwhile to invest in.
In the future when you want to upgrade you'll probably change most things apart form the case and display if you got quality stuff to start with.
I definitely wouldn't get any case that has a powerful enough PSU. A quality PSU is an important part and one of the last things I would try to save on, but of course you don't have to go over the top.
Stick to one of the brands recommended here and at least 450w.
Like I said before, if you want to keep costs down, go for something like the Antec sonata. It comes with a decent 480w PSU and is not too noisy.
My advice is to try to go for good quality components all the way.
If your budget doesn't allow to do that it's better to get a lower spec machine but built form good components.
Sure you might run out of processing power or RAM on really demanding projects with shitloads of plugs, but that's better than a machine that has power to spare but cannot make use of all of it because it's not stable enough.
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trancedelux
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Posted : Jun 12, 2007 21:26
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Hmmm.. I understand, but I have friends who are producing with their old toshiba notebooks (for example).. and they have no problems. I think that maybe i'm going too fast. Besides, in Chile is hard to find all the brands you've mentioned.. I haven't found the Antec Sonata.
Now, a friend told me that i should save 1Gb ram and buy another hard drive instead.. so I can have 2 HD, is it worth it??
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trancedelux
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Posted : Jun 12, 2007 22:16
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What about these PSU's:
1) THERMALTAKE TR2 W0069 ATX 430W DUAL FAN +PFC US$55.- It's 430W + PFC, should be enough, right?
2) XG 12 cm. 450W Vigor Blue US$63.-
These 2 would be ok with my budget.
Other brands that are in my budget:
- PSU ATX ISO 500D 450W DOUBLE FAN
- PSU LOGISYS 575W SLI READY DUAL FAN ATX 24 PINS BL
Please help me with this last thing... thanks! |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jun 12, 2007 23:43
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On 2007-06-12 21:26, trancedelux wrote:
Hmmm.. I understand, but I have friends who are producing with their old toshiba notebooks (for example).. and they have no problems. I think that maybe i'm going too fast. Besides, in Chile is hard to find all the brands you've mentioned.. I haven't found the Antec Sonata.
Now, a friend told me that i should save 1Gb ram and buy another hard drive instead.. so I can have 2 HD, is it worth it??
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I for sure don't think you need the latest and fastest nowadays.
I'm using a Athlon +2800 still with 768 MB RAM and don't run out of power often.
And if I do I just freeze a track.
I have been spending ridiculous amounts on computers in the past, since it used to be the case that you constantly was pushing the limits and every little extra bit of power was really valuable, but that has changed a lot the last few years.
Also it's not all bad to limit yourself somewhat.
One doesn't need 80 plugins and 64 tracks running simultaneously from the HD to make good music...infact it's very likely that it will result in very bad music
If you are spending on the latest CPU and want to use of it's power 1 GB can be a bit too little to make full use of it.
So for that CPU 2 GB is a good match I think.
If the money is better spent on an extra HD depends on how you will be working.
If you run a lot of instruments and plugs RAM will be more important.
If you tend to record stuff down a lot the HD will be more important.
Regardless of which way you go I think your system will be more than enough power to produce with without feeling limited, and I would prioritise factors like stability (MB and PSU and quality RAM) and comfort (KB, mouse, display and quiet chassi/cooler).
And most importantly, make sure you have money left for decent monitors, soundcard and controller.
If you have to skimp on those I would rather pick up for example an old s/h Athlon build from quality components.
In a few years you computer will be outdated anyway, but monitors, soundcard and controller keep their value a lot longer.
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DJSarasin
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Posted : Jun 13, 2007 00:29
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Kalimamboh
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Posted : Jun 13, 2007 13:28
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Hi trancedelux, in my humble opinion you should save more on the pc configuration and get a decent soundcard and speakers/monitors. While you can still produce quality music with a low spec machine, if what you ear is not accurate, it will never sound good . Which at the end of the day is the main thing I believe.
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