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want the real industry secret to make succesfull hits ?? get in :)

Saf


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Posted : Apr 25, 2007 02:10
Hehe, Ok, I still think Simon is rad.

That was neat to hear the plain sample and then the Posford track right afterwards.

It's not like I thought he was out sampling "world music" songs or creating all that atmosphere/digeridoo himself, I knew he must be using some samples.

Apparently the guys from Deep Forest do go travel about and sample real people singing and playing drums/etc, but also sample records/cds from other countries. Which I think is cool too.

The difference between this and Daft Punk though is pretty wide.
Seppa


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Posted : Apr 25, 2007 02:35
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I thought AKAI samples came on CDs? Busted!



not to act as the protecting mum here but, you could have them stored in iso onto your hardrive and read them with daemon tool. or convert them to wave and keep them on the hd. hell there are hundreds of akai soundbank on the net converted to wave ready to download.

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Raja Ram pretends to sing to samples? Let him look like a fool if that makes him happy...



Common guys ! I mean, how many live you see people pretending to play keyboard or what ever. its all part of the show. I mean i know i find it absolutly ridiculous, especially when its so obvious ,sometime its well done, who gives a crap then. I love a good live set where artists would actually come up with some stuff while playing but i know for fact that many don't even bother.
I never went to see sphongle live and that's a real shame cause I love these guys music and to this I add, what is there to complain about. I'm already so greatful to Raja and Simon for all the good emotion I felt while listening to their music. like zorba these are classics ......
Seppa


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Posted : Apr 25, 2007 02:45
For crying out loud ! I just realised what we're talkin about...... I mean how many psychedelic producer since the very early goa did not rely on sample for different things ..... like speech, vocals , vocal harmony or pads, sound fx........

????? i don't follow ........ whats the big deal here. its just a choice, a creative process... nothing new, nothing shockin. its been done for a long time and it will continue for a long time.
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d then act like they play "live" with the flutes and stupid raja ram "sing" with microphone (plugged to what?)



lol ! thats actually funny i found myself many time saying about the same in various gigs : is that guy or this guy microphone plugged anywhere ?
UnderTow


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Posted : Apr 25, 2007 03:55
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On 2007-04-25 02:35, Seppa wrote:
not to act as the protecting mum here but, you could have them stored in iso onto your hardrive and read them with daemon tool. or convert them to wave and keep them on the hd. hell there are hundreds of akai soundbank on the net converted to wave ready to download.



Dude, you didn't quote the most important part of that line: The smiley!

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Common guys !



And again you missed the most important thing: The last line that said "All in good fun of course"!

I like their music and if they are having fun on stage, so much the better for them. It's all about having fun afterall, no?

Although judging by some of the posts on this forum sometimes it sounds like a bunch of bankers arguing about committing fraud!

UnderTow
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Atma

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Posted : Apr 26, 2007 21:19
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On 2007-04-20 15:28, Seppa wrote:
hehe, I like that ......


ok so according to you guys sample based music is no good....

fair enough! Ichallenge you to do hits like daft punk. use any source you want... lets see what you guys come up with.
if you do some research you ll get to find some of their interviews, will find out what gear they use ...... the first album of daft punk was released in 1997 do you really think that was computer music ? I mean the use of computer is been there for a while but computer music is relying only on a computer more or less do make a piece and in 97 you did not have analog sounding synth or analog sounding vsts.

there sound sounds analog and analog does not mean using a mood modular but also ext hardware gear like thermionic culture vulture Valve Distortion Unit, or mutators, old pedals..... . they do and i can hear it.


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if u dint respect the original artist that COMOPOSE the tune , for me its like u admit u care shit about art.



lol . art ? that's a very subjective thing. and i won't discuss it with you.

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That's tears it, I'm getting an analog computer...



you definitely should !



well first off all...to create a hit is not only about gear and music knoweledge but also about promotion, lots of money and lot of stuff !
I worked, and i still work for almost 15 years in the commercial music buissnes as music composer for lots of bands and artists, and belive me: in the psy trance scene i meet peoples who can make music 10 times better that any of all this bullshit superstars !

But again and again...it is all about promotion, money and advertising !
As more simple and childish is the music, as more are the chances to become a hit !
But this won't happent if there is nobody in the back, to push a lot of money.

You can choose the most stupid track you ever heard...if you have a friend with lot of influence on Sony Music for example.. Well, they will make a hit from it !
So you can be the next DAFT PUNK !!!

Personally, i don't give a shit on Daft Punk music and also on their music knoweledges...so far all i heard from them are simple musical "phrases", not real composition !
It's a long long way from this to a real composition !

In psytrance scene peoples are trying to make everyday much better and complex songs so it's a total opposite direction !

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FGK108


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Posted : Apr 27, 2007 06:00
Huh? wtf daft punk make quite cool music but who cares about all the endless arguments why dont we make cool music instead I am sure I should follow my own advice but anyway...

I wanted to say that if you compare to movie Industry I like the huge movies like lord of the rings but some way out low budjet movie can also blow me away and I want to think that I can respect both of the directors not just because one is famous and the other is not. However there are also porno's and soap opera's in abundance and I find it harder to respect the mentality behind these kind of works. I tend to find that the less I have to do with them the better though and so I don't watch tv so what is my point? Well, what is your point? I don't understand so much of this world and it is getting worse. So make a song with daft punk if you like them that would be cool or go and see the people who can sing with two tone voices for yourself or even just go for a walk around the block. Stop all this spacing out in front of a computer all day it's not good for your brain's. Whew, thats better, I got some stuff off my chest sorry about that everybody my mom hijacked my subconcious for a while there! Need new antivirus.
astrotec


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Posted : Apr 28, 2007 00:06
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On 2007-04-19 15:14, tsabeat wrote:






daft punk

i thought its amazing
what u think now ?!



nope
piXan
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Apr 28, 2007 00:36
one thing is sampling and another is rip off.
daft punk latest stuff like the ones showed in the vid is far from creative sampling and its plagiarism. i dont know how some people fail to see it like that. sure they have a nice production (money can buy u that) but the musical creativity is none. i used to like daft punk like 10 years ago, but now i think their music is way to kmart stuff to me.
About Raja Ram and fake singing to samples, haha i know it is a show and when ure fucked up on mdma u dont give a fuck even enjoy it, but cmon this is why he have shit live acts, cause we tolerate it and dont demand a real show. i mean it doesnt have to be live but then we coud have just simon posford play and itll be cheaper, why pay for lipsinging and all that crap? is this american psychedelic idol or WTF???           www.soundcloud.com/elektroakustica/sets/downtempo/
astrotec


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Posted : Apr 29, 2007 13:30
daft punk is so god dam repetitive.
dum...dum...da...dum...dum.a.dum...dum.a.dum............. over and over again like some whineing whingeing bitch naggin in your ear all the time. 2 bar loop tune stuck in a 2 bar loop not creative in the slightest, well i'm wrong its 2 bars worth off creativity.
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