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Elad
Tsabeat/Sattel Battle

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Posted : Apr 21, 2007 22:57
first thing , u think i will change my life for some "random" isratrancer ??

i dont feel the need to proove anything , specialy not copy / paste music for peaple that talk about money and fame.. may be one day in life i will want to do it , then it will be awsome. and im in for the galz too

sorry mate , we see stuff in diffrent ways , and im completly happy with what i do.

may be next time im bored i will find the time to make something funny , like put together many loops from diffrent sample cd's with title " house loops " as long it wont take over 30 minutes.

lets make a deal , if i will bother do something like this , and if u think it sound good , u sell it and we split the money

btw , prefered song for steal ? or sample cd's are ok with you.. (still most of chanses i wont bother , sorry , hehe)

akai studio - latin guitars vol 3 (shpongle remix)
^ hehe shpongle last album is big ripoff as well , and i never said not enjoyable music , only dodgey way to make musical project.


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Seppa


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Posted : Apr 22, 2007 03:31
Change your life ?! all Wanted is for you to back your statment.

you tried the pass on a message with this thread and i did not agree.

you did diminished the work and the talent of a band, by stating it was only copy and paste music .

you also pointed that i could not recognise analog sound and that this was computer music.

you also mentinoned that the way to success was easy with the title of your thread.

thats why i challenged you cause I seriously think that as a random isratrancer who happen to be a sound engineer, I simply don't agree with your statment and you have nothing to back this up since i haven't seen or heard a release from you of this league.

I'm sorry if i just mentioned your work that is not personal. I just wanned you to proove me wrong by showing me something of this league cause you talked like you were part of it.
you have nothing to prove to me then don't make statment of this size.cause i don't need to be jean michel jarre to tell you that!

If i say something i can always back it up.

another thing you abiously did not hear the early music of daft punk 97 first album and other singles they release since 94 where is the copy and paste here?????????

the funny thing is, with this messages i must look like a big daft punk fan , the truth is i know all their work but i only like some of it and still don't agree with you.



Elad
Tsabeat/Sattel Battle

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Posted : Apr 22, 2007 04:10
Quote:

On 2007-04-22 03:31, Seppa wrote:
Change your life ?! all Wanted is for you to back your statment.

--i think i did , with the link. i dont need to do it to see how easy it is.


you tried the pass on a message with this thread and i did not agree.

--tell this to skazi , im not passing messege , im pointing out the sad but true.

you did diminished the work and the talent of a band, by stating it was only copy and paste music .

-- yes ,as i was huge fan , and now i respect them about 50% then before knowing its all other peaple riffs and sounds.

you also pointed that i could not recognise analog sound and that this was computer music.

--there are complete sites with this tests of analog vs digital , find one and discover for yourself no body can recognize the diffrence with 100% acuracy.

you also mentinoned that the way to success was easy with the title of your thread.

--there u go , after 10 years i try to make my own music , thinking work as hard as u can will make it.. but nop.. i see all the big names actualy just copycats. not my wish or opinion , prooved. see daft punk , shpongle , chemical brothers , chemical crew.

thats why i challenged you cause I seriously think that as a random isratrancer who happen to be a sound engineer, I simply don't agree with your statment and you have nothing to back this up since i haven't seen or heard a release from you of this league.

-- my album realesed i think was clear from the very first step , isnt gonna be commercial , and probably there are 3000 peaple like this sub-genre in the hole world.. when i start make house we will chat again and see..

I'm sorry if i just mentioned your work that is not personal. I just wanned you to proove me wrong by showing me something of this league cause you talked like you were part of it.
you have nothing to prove to me then don't make statment of this size.cause i don't need to be jean michel jarre to tell you that!

--u right in a way , but i dont need to be skazi to point that out..

If i say something i can always back it up.

-- well , i think the raja ram live show where him "sings" with akai samples that i have ... prooving itself.

another thing you abiously did not hear the early music of daft punk 97 first album and other singles they release since 94 where is the copy and paste here?????????

--i see samples of "da funk" and "around the world"

http://palmsout.blogspot.com/2007/02/sample-wednesday-27-daft-punk.html

the funny thing is, with this messages i must look like a big daft punk fan , the truth is i know all their work but i only like some of it and still don't agree with you.

--well , i still like discovery and human after all albums alot , specialy the "intrstela 5555" animation ..

with that , my respect for them went heaps down.
hypothetic : if i had milions of dollars and i was music promoter , i would think to make huge show of them , now i will look for other *original* artist.. (soon i will start think nothing is original , i just may be dont know the real origin.)




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C3PO
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Apr 22, 2007 13:10
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UnderTow


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Posted : Apr 22, 2007 16:31
Seppa, Daft Punk have good production but that has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that, according to the video, they seem to be copying exact musical ideas from other artists. (I don't think they are sampling btw. I think they are recreating the music instrument by instrument).

They use analogue? So what? How does that make them better musicians? Again, they have good production techniques but that is beside the point of that video.

tsabeat has nothing to backup because he is just commenting on what he, and everyone else, can see in that video clip. The message of the video is very clear: They performed blatant plagiarism of other people's art. Wether this is entirely correct or not is another discsussion but the message is clear for all to see.

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Elad
Tsabeat/Sattel Battle

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Posted : Apr 22, 2007 18:31
yeah thats make the point abit clearer

after more research i can cnfirm they do give the credits to the original song writers           www.sattelbattle.com
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Tomos
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Apr 22, 2007 20:51
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after more research i can cnfirm they do give the credits to the original song writers



I should bloody well expect them to!!
Seppa


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Posted : Apr 24, 2007 19:58
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They use analogue? So what? How does that make them better musicians? Again, they have good production techniques but that is beside the point of that video.



the video is one thing yes, but this thread has a title and things have been said. Now i really don't feel like going on an on about it, but i just did not agree with the simplistic view on the subject.

technic is an important factor in the todays electronic music(isratrance is a good example i guess most thread are about how to sound like this, how to do this)

besides analog was not the point, i just mentioned it and tsabeat pick on it and mentioned it was all computer stuff and cut and paste in the early post.

Quote:
tsabeat has nothing to backup because he is just commenting on what he, and everyone else, can see in that video clip. The message of the video is very clear: They performed blatant plagiarism of other people's art. Wether this is entirely correct or not is another discsussion but the message is clear for all to see.



You probably right about that i mainly felt the title was misleading..... and generaly felt that a few thing were said that were wrong.


Saf


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Posted : Apr 24, 2007 21:26
Wait, why is Shpongle copycat? Serious question.
aciduss
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Apr 24, 2007 22:07
You guys always so concerned about originality... chill out and enjoy, evolution will come anyway.

Everything is and will be...
Elad
Tsabeat/Sattel Battle

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Posted : Apr 25, 2007 00:06
Quote:

On 2007-04-24 21:26, Saf wrote:
Wait, why is Shpongle copycat? Serious question.



shpongle use akai samples and then act like they play "live" with the flutes and stupid raja ram "sing" with microphone (plugged to what?) with akai samples i have in my folder.. just rediculus           www.sattelbattle.com
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Pythagoraz
TimeDrained / Pythagoraz

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Posted : Apr 25, 2007 00:24
yeah chill guys...           www.iono-music.com
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UnderTow


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Posted : Apr 25, 2007 01:05
Quote:

On 2007-04-24 21:26, Saf wrote:
Wait, why is Shpongle copycat? Serious question.



Check out the World sample here: http://www.spectrasonics.net/libraries/vocalplanet.php

It might sound familiar.

But anyway, who cares? I still like Posford's music.

UnderTow
UnderTow


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Posted : Apr 25, 2007 01:11
Quote:

On 2007-04-25 00:06, tsabeat wrote:
shpongle use akai samples and then act like they play "live" with the flutes and stupid raja ram "sing" with microphone (plugged to what?) with akai samples i have in my folder.. just rediculus



I thought AKAI samples came on CDs? Busted!

Anyway, tsabeat, if you can create the same kind of music as Mr Posford with your AKAI collection I would be well impressed!

Raja Ram pretends to sing to samples? Let him look like a fool if that makes him happy...

Are there some naive girls impressed by his antics? So much the better for him. He probably needs a bit of a gimmick to pull girls at his age.

All in good fun of course.

UnderTow
Get-a-fix
Getafix

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Posted : Apr 25, 2007 01:24
No harm in using samples IMO. I'm pretty sure very few people can come up with the stuff Simon can if they were given the same samples.

Can't write off all the rest of the musical creativity just because of a few samples! Isn't that the whole point behind samples though, aren't you supposed to use them in your music?!
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