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Yuli
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Posted : Feb 21, 2004 15:40
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Te_nTe I am really sorry that u feel like this
But try to look for the full half of the cup - if we agree between us, maybe the most important thing is that the info is given
Whatever ppl will do with the info, or how they respond to it, it is their problem...
After all if you want to go out of the tiny little trance scene u will have to know to use better instruments than the lousy VB1
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Te_nTe
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Posted : Feb 21, 2004 17:50
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that just makes my mind crazy yuli.
ppl here make themselves very smart and start arguing with anyone about everything.
i am trying to help but on this forum ppl dont listen they just saying what they want or what they think - and till one like you or other artist will say other they will be on their own.
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Feb 21, 2004 19:35
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Te_nTe, nobody changed what they had said before after yuli spoke....
"ppl here make themselves very smart and start arguing with anyone about everything.
i am trying to help but on this forum ppl dont listen they just saying what they want or what they think"
I think you should look a bit to yourself before saiyng such thing
And has it is obvious, ppl will defend what they believe, nobody will say what they don't want or what they don't think, just because you say so.
And has it is obvious, an opinion from someone from who you know the sound, and that has proved quality and experience trough the years will be more taken in consideration, I think thats perfectly normal.
But don't think your post are ignored, because they aren't, I think every sigle post in here receives some attention, after all its all diferent opinions and perspectives. |
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limbic
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Posted : Feb 22, 2004 01:21
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well its getting realy offtopic but te_nte cant u except it that people think different from u
cant u except i that people prefer listen to well educated experienced man in all aspects rather then u with all do respect!
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Triptocoma
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Posted : Feb 22, 2004 02:08
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Hey guys, here is my opinion.
Vb1 is overused, itīs boring to hear it in so many tunes, if you are happy with it as your main bass tool, fine! but you wont get many original baselines, it still will have itīs own character, well it all depends on how much you tweak it and how you tweak it. But if you dont tweak at all, well...
Like SuperGlue said, he can make a baseline out of a snare, hell it contains sinewaves and other shit, just tweak the fucker, Manipulate it, stretch, reverse, pitch, cut, paste, EQ, amplify..Ect,ect and use all the tricks you can, why not do the same with one of your vsti basses, just sample some bassnotes and put it in your audio editor, tweak it, of course you can do lots of tweaking in your host in realtime....
... you got the tools, make something special!
im not saying i dislike the sound of Vb1, im just getting tired of it..
i seldom use it now days, sometimes it gets there when im toying around and need a bass fast.
but right now im rather fond of Polyiblits sound(more to tweak aswell). i will use it in some tracks while i still continue to search for more cool, interesting baseline tools and ways to do baselines.
To add, is that i think itīs important that you take some time while trying to find a good bass vsti, get to know the instrument, test itīs capabilitys, some time, patience and mind boggle is what it takes, and lots of knob twisting =P sometimes small adjustments is just the right touch...
have fun and do your best with what you got...
ciao
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limbic
Limbic
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Posted : Feb 22, 2004 21:15
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trip to coma
astrix - kali
is vb and man i never heard a bass as groovie as that i think that if u write your bass cool it will sound cool in any sound....of course some will make it cooler 
but then again.....its all about your feeling |
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Feb 23, 2004 02:10
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superglue,
you say: "there is no synth programmer that can produce natural bass from his digital synth without using high quality audio samples "
i say..:
LOOOOOOOL!
then you obviously don't know how to do karpus-strong synthesis.,.,
have a nice dream,
aka.,.,., |
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yumade40
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Posted : Feb 24, 2004 10:48
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AhmedTaburov
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Posted : Feb 24, 2004 11:13
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What is so wrong about creating basslines & bass parts using a quality samples & sampler like HALion?It seems to me that eveybody here uses VSTi (or hardware synths) for this purpose...
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Feb 24, 2004 11:40
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ahmed,
totaly nothing wrong with it.
especially because most vsti synths use samples as oscilators anyway.,
greets,
aka.,
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Triptocoma
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Posted : Feb 25, 2004 16:19
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Ahmed!
For me it feels like im not "doing" the acctual sound... somebody else has done it, and i got less options to alter the source, as much control thats possible is what i like.
though, sure i use samples that other people have made, itīs pretty unaviodable when you dont have your own studio with all kinds of instruments.
but my motto is to do as much as possible by my self....
if i want a real bass, id either use samples from one, or get a m8 to play it for me...
but Ahmed i see nothing wrong in using pre made samples from others, but for originallity itīs best to tweak the shit out of it...
i mean most of us probably use drum samples and so on, and like ZilDoggo said, many Vstiīs are sample based, but a real oscilator would generate a tone, and not from a sample... correct me if im wrong. the Spectrasonics instruments are sample based, but far from many are...
cya
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AhmedTaburov
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Posted : Feb 25, 2004 16:23
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I agree.Originality first...That is why I trying not just tweak the sounds but also create them.
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Matrix
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Posted : Feb 25, 2004 16:52
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When i just started making music few years ago- i didn't agree to use sampled loops and default presets, but you know what- when your sound is good then you feel that the sound is good because of you regardless to any sample or already made loop- the material quality is more important then the source-
About creativity, it's all about your head and your ideas and you should not feel not creative becuase of use in a not original material.
All this is my opinion and of course that i prefer in specific cases making all from scratch- all depend on the mood.
in short - No Rules
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Feb 25, 2004 20:27
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Triptocoma,
almost all digital synths (plugin or hardware) use a sample for oscilator.,., only thing is that this is a very short sample.,
the real difference between a virtual analog synth and a sampler these days is that you can put a longer sample in a sampler so you can have changes in spectrum of your oscilator without using the synthesis parts.,
but otherwise, almost all samplers have identical sculpting facilities to most synths., (osc->filt->amp /lfo/env/etc)
so actually most samplers allow you to have >more< controll over your sound because they allow you to start with oscilators that have different and evolving spectra.,., think about this.,
(.. of course there are exceptions to everything.,,.)
one thing samplers generaly cannot do is making a continious waveform.,., so samplers are like having your osc's synced to key all the time.,
on the other hand., a lot of synths do not alow you to change this and are either hard synced to key or have a continious waveform. real analog synths are usually completely continious., which is bad for basses imo unless you sample them.,
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and any synth (or sampler) has a different sounding filter.,., so this can be important for your choise as well., also envelopes can sound very different from one synth/sampler to the other., check out what you like/want., get to know your tools inside out.,
personally i use almost anything for bass but i realy like my nord modular., clean and fat at the same time., i made an emulation of my sh-101 (which is broken  ) and it works pretty well.,
grts,
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Triptocoma
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Posted : Feb 27, 2004 12:13
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ZilDoggo,
Good info, thanks, i think i need to read up on synthesis technique's  |
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