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Virus Versus Virus Powercore
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Jul 12, 2004 13:05
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Does anyone here have experience with both the hardware Virus by Access and the Powercore version ? I'm curious whether they sound the same. |
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PsyGoatDelic
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Posted : Jul 12, 2004 17:36
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i think that nothing can be compared to the Hardware version
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br0d
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Posted : Jul 12, 2004 18:05
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On 2004-07-12 17:36, PsyGhotDeli wrote:
i think that nothing can be compared to the Hardware version
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Why? It's a VA. The whole thing is DSP. I'd be curious to know what magical parts exist in a keyboard's software which could not exist in a computer. Do PROMs add more warmth than RAM? |
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mentat
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Posted : Jul 12, 2004 19:32
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Do PROMs add more warmth than RAM?
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lol thats hilarious 
i agree .. in fact i had the opportunity to directly compare patch for patch both my virus powercore & the tabletop version of the virus c which i had here for a few days.. to my ears they were identical in sound & very similar in functionality .. although the 'real' pots on the virus c were nice when tweaking 
but that is the only potential advantage of the 'real' virus imho. integrating the virus into the sequencing environment is such a more efficient way of working i think .. u get all the associated advantages of being able to use it as you would any vsti .. |
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br0d
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Posted : Jul 12, 2004 19:53
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I just spent some time reading the powercore forum and it turns out that the chips used on the Powercore are the same as the chips used in the hardware virus, so it's basically a verbatim software port. A port of the b though, not the c. So the C will sound different because of the EQ section and the moog filters, mainly.
The only real difference between the b and the Powercore version is in the voice licensing and the knobs. People will make the argument that a certain grunge or distortion warmth is created by the now unnecessary DA/AD conversion that takes place in classic digital hardware like the virus, but in my years of experience on both forums and usenet, people who waste their time nitpicking AD/DA issues usually don't make any music worth noting. That's not a joke and I am not trying to be harsh. All of the people I have ever seen who get into that sort of minutiae really don't know how to make music because their focus is wrong, they're too granular. They're scientists. To an artist, these two options discussed above are widely reported to be functionally equivalent, and really, that's where the concern should end. I'm looking to ditch my virus kb, especially if I find out the powercore does VST Automation.
Hardware is dead. |
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PsyGoatDelic
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Posted : Jul 12, 2004 21:58
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well br0d i guess i was mistaken...
if u say they sound the same ill have to belive that
and ill try to get the demo of the powercore and heard for my self... hearing is beliving 
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Jul 13, 2004 12:01
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Mentat, brOd: thnx for the input  I'm thinking about buying the Virus for Powercore but i was afraid that i would spend a shitload of money on a Vsti that is almost the same as an Albino 2 or a Z3ta+ Two of my friends use the Virus hardware synth in their tracks and they swear that it's in a completely different league than the softsynths currently available. |
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br0d
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Posted : Jul 13, 2004 18:48
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Absolutely, check it out. Never trust someone else's ears for your own needs. I haven't even heard the thing yet, I just researched it because I have been looking for a way to get my Virus into my computer (man that sounds funny ) for about two years. I hear it has more top, which would make sense, since highs are the first casualty of AD/DA. Some people don't like the idea of it having more top, but top is always something you can pull back on, not something you can truly add, and if the "old" sound was unnecessary AD/DA saturation, then I can do without it, or perhaps add it back with a plugin... |
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br0d
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Posted : Jul 13, 2004 18:49
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On 2004-07-13 12:01, Boobytrip wrote:
Mentat, brOd: thnx for the input I'm thinking about buying the Virus for Powercore but i was afraid that i would spend a shitload of money on a Vsti that is almost the same as an Albino 2 or a Z3ta+ Two of my friends use the Virus hardware synth in their tracks and they swear that it's in a completely different league than the softsynths currently available.
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They obviously haven't heard stuff like Vanguard, Minimoog, and Polysix. |
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Cyzum
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Posted : Jul 13, 2004 21:30
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The virus TDM plug in sounds just like the real keyboard.. I'd imagine the powercore one would sound pretty damn close.
In regards to soft synths, I think that in the next 5 years, you are going to see most synths being software based. All a hardware synth is just a (cept for analog ones) computer... |
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dNETv2
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Posted : Jul 14, 2004 01:01
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I'm sorry, but I own the virus | powercore and have worked with Virus A/B/C's before. The virus powercore puts all VSTi's to shame, even the high quality ones. Everything seems useless compared to the virus | powercore. Bitter truth. |
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saxopholus
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Posted : Jul 14, 2004 03:05
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[quote]On 2004-07-13 18:48, br0d wrote:
Absolutely, check it out. Never trust someone else's ears for your own needs./quote]
can't agree more. and also the fact that you can automate the virus powercore, like you say brOd, is the most important benefit i can see when compared with the hardware version.
I'm getting seriously tempted now guys, after being so pleased with the nice results you can get with the Pro53 and FM7. The fact that you say the Virus emulation is so good would make it a valuable addition to these. |
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dNETv2
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Posted : Jul 14, 2004 03:45
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| I'm getting seriously tempted now guys, after being so pleased with the nice results you can get with the Pro53 and FM7. The fact that you say the Virus emulation is so good would make it a valuable addition to these.
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Thing is... It's not an emulation. It's the real thing. Just as fat, and just as sweet as the hardware model. Best 350 bucks I've spent in years, regarding music gear.
I'll try to post some examples if anyone would like? |
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br0d
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Posted : Jul 14, 2004 08:21
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Yeah, now I'm not exactly a member of the IEEE, but an "emulation" occurs when someone tries to imitate a piece of gear by copying its schematic, for a different chip, with a different instruction set, and different code altogether. Virus hardware and Powercore use the same chip and the same code, so the port was a true port, not an emulation.
See, all through the late 90s and early 00s, the hardware purists browbeat most of the online community with parroted, second hand technical jargon they had copped and echoed from usenet, cowing people into conceding that "hardware devices are inherently superior," such that people even now fail to realize that even though the virus is one of the best sounding and most versatile synths ever designed, IT WAS NEVER HARDWARE in the traditional "physical design affects sound" sense. The "virtual" in virtual analogue means it was software the whole time. It was just running on a different computer.
And sax, most definitely...the automation is huge. |
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Jul 14, 2004 10:57
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dNETv2: i'm really interested in some examples |
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