aciduss
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Posted : Aug 4, 2010 20:26
Of course hardware users are the ones claiming superiority in sound... when you spend thousands on hardware you'd really expect to get something back for all that buck.
I have used a Virus before... i was really impressed, i'd buy one if i had the money.
I'm sure it is a versatile powerful machine, but it is not something you 'need'; big, phat, warm and soul sounds can come from any source, in fact i believe those characteristics are for the mind behind the sound itself, these are just instruments, waveforming machines.
Of course with powerful expensive machines one can create those sounds easier, faster and probably with a particular character defined by the brand / model of synth.
Nothing that the overall psytrance dancer will notice anyway.
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Posted : Aug 4, 2010 23:37
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I can find tons of arguments which have absolutely nothing to do with sentimentality, that is pro analog.
Why don’t you do that then?
Just remember: the “warmth” an “soul” arguments are already taken.
it s not only sentimentaly ,agressive settings sound ususaly better on some analog gears ,you can puch some compressor way more and still sound very good for example.
imo it s 2 differrents world,there is not one better than the other,their is thousands of crappy analog gears same for digital ones but a mix of both is certainly better than just using one .
it also depends about experience,maybe you don t hear everyhting ,me to offcourse but that can make a difference ,same as a beginner don t know what to listen too when producing. we dont have enough experience to really judge and talk about that .
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Posted : Aug 5, 2010 03:29
What is it - warm sound? Is it signal with some distortion/subharmonics added by lamps or transistors ?
Warm sound !=clean sound.
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Posted : Aug 5, 2010 12:30
i think it s different for everyone this thread show it.
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Posted : Aug 6, 2010 03:05
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On 2010-08-05 03:29, Integer wrote:
What is it - warm sound? Is it signal with some distortion/subharmonics added by lamps or transistors ?
Warm sound !=clean sound.
you are wrong. warm sound it is signal with some distortion/subharmonics. it's fatter. it's not very clean. it's dirty but pleasent.
it's sound with character.
this is exactly the difference bitween digital and analog and why some people prefer one on the other.
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Posted : Aug 6, 2010 03:39
we talk about things we don t know so there is lot of bullshit in this thread, i m sure not many of us are familiar with high end analog gears , or great analog synths or modulars like serge or buchla for example .
analog or digital both are great for different things.
saying today digital can do everyhting analog does is just totaly ignorant and vice versa .
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Posted : Aug 6, 2010 07:42
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On 2010-08-05 03:29, Integer wrote:
What is it - warm sound? Is it signal with some distortion/subharmonics added by lamps or transistors ?
Warm sound !=clean sound.
you are wrong. warm sound it is signal with some distortion/subharmonics. it's fatter. it's not very clean. it's dirty but pleasent.
it's sound with character.
this is exactly the difference bitween digital and analog and why some people prefer one on the other.
Thought you should know. Waldorf have nailed exactly this sort of warmth in very digital sounding boxes for a looooong time now.
I'll say again for the cheap seats at the back:
Using 'warmth' as a quality to ascribe to analogue in criticism of digital is retarded, and completely incorrect..
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Posted : Aug 6, 2010 15:03
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On 2010-08-06 03:05, dj chichke wrote:
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On 2010-08-05 03:29, Integer wrote:
What is it - warm sound? Is it signal with some distortion/subharmonics added by lamps or transistors ?
Warm sound !=clean sound.
you are wrong. warm sound it is signal with some distortion/subharmonics. it's fatter. it's not very clean. it's dirty but pleasent.
it's sound with character.
this is exactly the difference bitween digital and analog and why some people prefer one on the other.
Thought you should know. Waldorf have nailed exactly this sort of warmth in very digital sounding boxes for a looooong time now.
I'll say again for the cheap seats at the back:
Using 'warmth' as a quality to ascribe to analogue in criticism of digital is retarded, and completely incorrect.
i agree with you. i just say that in theory warm and clean it's not the same. and it's not means one of them it's better than the other. it's a matter of taste. actually i don't know much analog equipment except the nord lead2. i prefer the virus ti. there is much possiblities with it to make new sounds.
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Posted : Aug 6, 2010 15:40
I think it is because you can make really good psy with just one synth, if you get to know that synth well, this is bound to happen if you make a lot of psy with just one synth.... If you're going to do this it might as well be a kick arse beast of a synth like the virus. I had Virus b for a few years and thoroughly enjoyed it, sad that I sold it when I went all software, but there ya go.
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Posted : Aug 6, 2010 16:02
about the warmth like i said i think it s different for everyone?
analog warmth can raise my hair , or make me laught with no reason.
recently i was working on a track with a friend, sylenth couldn t fit so well in the mix ...he routed the ouptut to some outboard.. i didnt even see or know it... i said to my friend wtf you did to the sound ,we looked at each other and laughted like crazy just cause it was so fucking good , things like that rarely hapened to me with digital gears i haven t experienced it much yet ,for me it s analog warmth ,there was something that is hard to get with a computer .
what i find strange some ppl feel nothing special , it s like that magic don t touch everyone ,but for those who feel it ,it s like a drug hehe .
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Posted : Aug 6, 2010 16:22
waldorf was mentioned - a company who's synthesizers i really like - so i guess this is the right time to post this video here:
a small comparison of the microwave 1 (digital synth with analogue filter) and the microwave 2 (all digital synth). same sounds loaded into both synths.
imo it's useless to discuss whether software or digital hardware is better. software just gives a lot more advantages in possibilities and flexibility.
but comparing hardware synths, there are some that give many possibilities and others are a bit limited.
and the virus, the microwave 2/xt, nord lead 2 and others definitely belong to the best hardware synthesizers available. i don't know about lab-quality oscillators and how such freaky stuff is related to the quality of music, but i can assure you that with those mentioned synthesizers you can make all the sounds you need for a great psytrack!
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Posted : Aug 6, 2010 16:25
for many waldorf fans the one with the analog filter is the best synth they ever made, would love to try one
i listened on shitty headphone but it seems when the reso is turned a bit the digital one sound stepped and the analog smooths. might be wrong but a short listen on the first patch i think i noticed that .
we were talking about ace , and the fitlers can sound very steped too , you loose all the organic sound of smooth filter sweeps but maybe it s not cause it s a digital fitler, dunno have no idea ...
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Posted : Aug 6, 2010 16:29
The main advantage outboard hardware has over computer software is scheduling
Most computer operating systems are not designed to do a single task in real time... there is always the possibility that disk IO, controller IO and sound IO will all try to happen at the same time and you will get skipping as your software can't output sound fast enough.
A hardware digital synth (if it's designed the way I'm thinking it's designed) is much simpler and the way it is put together you are guaranteed to never have skipping, because the chips responsible for processing the sound are entirely seperate from the controller/interface processing so they never compete.
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Posted : Aug 6, 2010 16:30
the waldorf pulse+ is also a great synth.
i have not tried the microwave 1, but i own the microwave xt and really love its sounds and knobs. :-D
