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Virus TI myth?
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-=Mandari=-
Mandari
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Posted : Jul 29, 2010 10:33
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On 2010-07-28 15:00, orgytime wrote:
if im not hearing a difference, why sould average people (with average soundexperience) hear it?
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you answered this question yourself..... "....with average soundexperience...."
that means automatically that ones ear is upon a learning process while one trains it. so it´s pretty clear simply just out of that, that i will hear different to your hearing. even if we´re about the same knowledge according to music, yes even if i dont any shit about music it can be easily the case, that i capture things you´re not able to recognize.... not talking bout perception now and all the other stuff why it´s like that. but believe me there are people out there hearing stuff you will maybe never hear in you entire life, not only depending on the soundexperience.... this is human perception, different to the individual cause we´re exactly that. one hears up to 20khz, another cant hear more than 16khz.... soooo hope theres no need to get more in deep on that. 
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Upavas
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Posted : Jul 29, 2010 10:56
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the daleks
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for me its the hands on power of the Virus and usability that makes it shine, in addition to the constant and GREAT software updates Access provides. they are constantly tacking on new features and innovations that have doubled its usefulness since I shelled out a little over 1K for a used model that still works great. most software synth developers rarely do this i.e. most updates are just bug fixes of for compatibility, and hardware unheard of
then theres the usability. instant hands on control of any of the 16 patches all parameters without a single controller mapping groan. you might be able to do this with some software synths, but think of all preparation in setting up all the mappings, you tell me.. i'd rather be making music than mucking with maps and assignments
about the sound, this discussion got off on the wrong tangent imo. every hardware synth has its associated sound due to DSP programming etc.. i.e. Nord, Virus, Waldorf, even if its not analog (a whole nuther story), and some sounds I got with software I couldnt duplicate on the Virus and vice versa. You either like or dont like, but its not a must have. I think it comes back to usability. Since getting a Virus, I can do basically 16 tracks of Virus sounds, and a drum, bass and percussion track on the computer and thats all I need. What does that mean? 16 tracks of live tweakable MIDI in my live set. thats what I'm talking about 
I threw my MIDI controller out 
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supergroover
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Posted : Jul 29, 2010 11:34
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for me it is also the easability to make fat sounds that make the virus TI rock! With fairly little effort i made some really fat basses that I still havent be able to make with software even with sylenth.
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aXis
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Posted : Jul 29, 2010 13:50
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Facepalm for president.
Palmoilve shall sponsor.
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magnatec
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Posted : Jul 29, 2010 14:02
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hm mate, i got a tc powercore dsp card and the virus powercore running on it....
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Nice man, but did you ever heard sound in a good studio or on a good HiFi? I have 2 studios with nice pieces of art, and I'm tellyn ya - computers can't make SOUND. Big fu..ing phat and depth. This is what I'm talkin about.
Every synthesizer can make sin, saw, squere, but the thing is what is going on with te signal next. There are lots of tings like cond, VCA, filters, even teperature of soldering. So give me a breake with your soft things.
Also a TIP.
If someone of you guys have TI or TI2 and like to make some mess... change DC adapter inside Virus. Change Analogue Out parts in PCB for top parts and then listen it again. I did it with my TI and I was suprised.
P.S. Whole damn shit thing about Virtual Analogue Synthesizers (virus, new waldorf etc.) is that, they are VIRTUAL = SOFTWARE. Every true analogue synth will have some heart inside his sound. |
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daark
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Posted : Jul 29, 2010 14:38
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aciduss
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Posted : Jul 29, 2010 16:43
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LOL!
Troll is troll.
It is knowledge and experience what gives great SOUND, not machines.
There is great software this days that indeed MAKE SOUND.
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Hydropanic
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master bud
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Posted : Jul 29, 2010 18:18
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jul 29, 2010 18:26
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Virus TI is not a myth.
Virus TI is very real.
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yggster
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Posted : Jul 29, 2010 18:50
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Jul 29, 2010 19:50
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...Reminds me of conversations I used to have with my buddy. He’s a big car aficionado and knows every minute detail of every car ever made. He used to tell me how super-duper of an alloy his valves were made of or how space-age the polymer in his head gasket was. But let’s face it: we both live in freaking Cleveland! Almost all the streets are 25 mph. And the weather is so awful most of the year that your car will rust out before anything happens to your valves or head gasket (that is if it doesn’t get stolen first). Just give it a break. It’s a car. We dump ourselves into it in the morning, drive for 10 minutes, unload ourselves at work, 9 hours later do the same thing in reverse. My $600 piece of shit does all this just as well as your custom-made super-duper alloy space-age polymer octane booster 22” rim chrome dual exhaust penismobil.
...Then my $600 piece of shit died, of course, rendering my arguments sorta invalid. I opted for a new car this time. Yet it’s still a modest Japanese “means of transportation”. I don’t even know what its valves and gaskets are made of and I don’t care. It works. It doesn’t break down. It doesn’t cost too much.
The right thing for the job at hand.
Shouldn’t that be the most important thing in choosing any tool?
If a synth is right for what you are doing – who cares about how its intestines are routed and at which point digital becomes analogue?
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xybre
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Posted : Jul 30, 2010 00:57
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On 2010-07-28 16:16, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2010-07-28 13:49, -=Mandari=- wrote:
the point you try to understand is the analog amplifying. the very very basic is, that a digital signal can only be 0 and 1 while an analog signal can be everything. try to imagine like this:
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/5844/analogdigital.gif
first is analog, second digital. you can easily "see" how and why it will sound different 
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There is something about this that makes me want to facepalm but I can't put my finger on exactly what!  One thing I do know though - the signal that comes out the back of a Virus is analog and contains no steps.
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I can tell you: Almost every medium that a listener will hear your music on is digital. Radio, Clubs/DJs, and everyday users use CDs and MP3s. Unless you're pressing vinyl or analogue tape, your music is going to be digital in the end. And vinyl is somewhat more limited in frequency and dynamic range than CD, we can all probably remember the muddy problems with tape.
This is also why music never sounds better than it does live.
Master Bud also killed the other side of the argument. DAs will remove that stepping.
Also, if anyone seriously believes the "analogue is better" mantra, then they should do some serious comparisons between analogue synths and "digital". I tell you that a Microwave XT will blow your mind, and its a digital *wavetable* synth.
Analogue synths are very often mono or at least limited polyphony, and are not multitimbral. This isn't bad by itself. I own 2 analogue synths personally, but I'd never want them to be my primary or only synths. On the other hand, it's be very easy to do everything I need on my Virus or Radias.
The penultimate advice is to TRY BEFORE YOU BUY. Go test one out at a store, go play with a synth at your friend's house. See what you like, what you connect with. Thats whats most important.
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-=Mandari=-
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Posted : Jul 30, 2010 15:06
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