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orgytime
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Posted : Jul 28, 2010 11:51:36
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hey guys 
i read alot of this (also snow etc...), and only from that i can say there is no doubt its really a beast.
personally i dont understand it, what can make this hardware so good? why so much artists would die for the virus?
its like a magical thing (myth) for me.
do i need one? ... it cant be just the filters... i mean lol
why i cant just route my controller to a good vst for the virus feeling haha?
why is this so epic, and why it is so fkn expensive? a controller is much cheaper.
anyone enlightens me please.
cheers
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magnatec
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Posted : Jul 28, 2010 13:24
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I have a lot of hardware and beleve me... computers can't make "SOUND".
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-=Mandari=-
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Posted : Jul 28, 2010 13:49
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if you know how, sure theres soft out there which can "make" sound or at least generate it.... all hybrids incl. virus go pretty same way. they generate, even if they amplify analogue way, the source is generated by a dsp....
personally i dont like the virus and cant get the hype around that thingy. sure itīs a good synth, but i cant see the point of need. also i dont like itīs soundengine. anyways, itīs a matter of taste. itīs a cool granular synth, pretty cool looking and comfortable to work with (TI desktop)... anyways iīd go for something else, keep some more bucks for a clavia i.e.
so matter of choice i guess.
the point you try to understand is the analog amplifying. the very very basic is, that a digital signal can only be 0 and 1 while an analog signal can be everything. try to imagine like this:
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/5844/analogdigital.gif
first is analog, second digital. you can easily "see" how and why it will sound different 
hybrids got a dsp to generate sound, so no VC signal. itīs about a few technical aspects and sure results in the sonic material, why a vstI or even a hybrid is not able to sound like an analog. itīs simply the need to generate what the analogīs doin. often the result sounds exactly that, generated, lifeless, no warmth etc. same to filters, env. etc.
anyways the accuracy of vstI nowadays imao is pretty awesome to really fucked up. but there are great synths generating sound which is pretty much like an analog. also i got u-he ace in mind actually, which is pretty near to an analog. this guyīs really crazy....
but i would repeat myself here, itīs a difference in character nowadays and a matter of choice. i like both, crystal clear digital and cold stuff and also the warmth and character of analogues....
hope that kinda helps. just read some about how analogues work. some basics about VC signal flow and you will easily understand why thereīs this hype around analogues.
cheers: stephan
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klippel
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Posted : Jul 28, 2010 13:51
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On 2010-07-28 13:24, magnatec wrote:
I have a lot of hardware and beleve me... computers can't make "SOUND".
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hm mate, i got a tc powercore dsp card and the virus powercore running on it, i.e. the exact sound as a virus b comes out of my guess what, yeah right: computer! so computers CAN make "sound" at least as good as a virus b hardware synth
and: the virus is a virtually analogue synth anyway: in other words a digital synth software on a dsp hardware..
@orgytime
with a ti you buy processing power (the dsp chips that calute the synthesis), a fancy and good looking interface, nice filters, the ti software interface and so on and so on.. its a peace of high end software installed on the dedicated dsp card integrated into the nice looking controller... and therefore has itīs (quite tough) price..
i still think you get a "better" sound from real analogue synths, in addition with the analogue equipment that you usually use with it, i.e. mixing consoles etc..
however, software synths nowaday have a very good quality though going along with a BIG increase of ease of working.. i guess even good ears would have a hard job distinguishing between analogue generated sounds and the recent top of the line softsynths (massive, zebra, ace etc)
http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/stereofeld-frequenzwechsel
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orgytime
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Posted : Jul 28, 2010 15:00
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thanks for taking the time!
i think i just have to try one out for a week.
its always hard to assign definitions like "warmth".
one time i heard a virus TI live at a studio, it was fat sounding but with my experience (eartraining over time) for example sylenth-vst also can do this.
am i not hearing this "warmth"? any high quality samples where i can hear it?
...and im not talking about soundcharacter wich differs in every plug in.
if im not hearing a difference, why sould average people (with average soundexperience) hear it?
cheers
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mubali
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Posted : Jul 28, 2010 15:05
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perhaps "warmth" isn't heard, it's felt
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orgytime
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daark
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Posted : Jul 28, 2010 15:58
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does the virus has lots of oscilators and filters, and 4 xy controlers?
i guess the analogs are too over rated.especialy when in the end they become lame mp3s...
i tryed and the analogs were to limited for me... nord lead ,virus ... in the end all i hear in trance is tons of vangaurd and time stretch.
i prefer for myself digitals...they are also expensive if u buy em.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jul 28, 2010 16:16
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Medea
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Posted : Jul 28, 2010 16:33
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On 2010-07-28 16:16, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2010-07-28 13:49, -=Mandari=- wrote:
the point you try to understand is the analog amplifying. the very very basic is, that a digital signal can only be 0 and 1 while an analog signal can be everything. try to imagine like this:
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/5844/analogdigital.gif
first is analog, second digital. you can easily "see" how and why it will sound different
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There is something about this that makes me want to facepalm but I can't put my finger on exactly what!  One thing I do know though - the signal that comes out the back of a Virus is analog and contains no steps.
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The signal that comes out of a speaker is also analog and contains no steps
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all these toys are mostly made for musicians to have more fun while makin music, not for listeners to hear the difference in quality (imho)...
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Ascension
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Posted : Jul 28, 2010 16:39
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piXan
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Posted : Jul 28, 2010 19:18
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klippel
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Posted : Jul 28, 2010 20:38
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On 2010-07-28 19:18, piXan wrote:
isnt dsp a computer?
and virus a Virtual analog= software?
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by carefully reading the whole discussion above you will find the answers to your questions.
http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/stereofeld-frequenzwechsel
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orgytime
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Posted : Jul 29, 2010 10:28
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There is something about this that makes me want to facepalm but I can't put my finger on exactly what! One thing I do know though - the signal that comes out the back of a Virus is analog and contains no steps.
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^^ hehe, never mind dude. pls to all just tell me if you can not agree, i wont be bothered or stuff. this is what a forum is for. and a blue name means not youīre free of fails. just my thoughts on that. glad abot anyone putting something in. sometimes hard to me to express in good words everyone able easily to understand  and i ffs always make a novel out of things easily can be catched in one sentence ^^ hehe.
well youīre right on that, but as far i experienced this is pretty different to the hybrids. not all of them work this way and i think it depends on the way the signal goes. the routing in the inner synth, this is different usually and itīs what defines the synth often. so no worrys, can stand that if you like to facepalm now but i think i tried to tell the same. at the end itīs still a matter of taste and not of better/worse....
sorry if i wrote this like they all are not able to produce this "stepless" analog like signal. and to me itīs not about the generation process. itīs about whatīs coming out on the other side. so i simply dont care about this analog/digital thingy. if i like i take, if not i leave... simple like that, but makes some things some more easy if ones familiar with some reasons why things are actually like they are....
and sure hybrids are great if you like their sound (which i do), anyways itīs completely different to a VC synth.... which imao can be felt and heared in most cases.
cheers
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