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Posted : Oct 16, 2011 12:26
i went deep into Omnisphere/Trillian, own both (legal copys)and don´t use presets at all.
And yes, they can sound very good, but....
most "PROS" you mentioned use it with external gear, filters,delays,reverbs,for example : everything you send into a eventide sounds fantastic.
compared to analog filters they sound like plastic,
try and you never touch a software filter again
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Posted : Oct 16, 2011 13:10
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On 2011-10-16 11:13, willsanquil wrote:
So much hating on Spectrasonics products...
Not really, just a few guys on here thinking that having great VCO samples is a waste of space.
Everyone I know that makes music and has had a go at Trillian and/or Omnisphere, use it like there is no tomorrow.
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Posted : Oct 16, 2011 21:21
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On 2011-10-16 12:26, Greententacle wrote:
i went deep into Omnisphere/Trillian, own both (legal copys)and don´t use presets at all.
And yes, they can sound very good, but....
most "PROS" you mentioned use it with external gear, filters,delays,reverbs,for example : everything you send into a eventide sounds fantastic.
compared to analog filters they sound like plastic,
try and you never touch a software filter again
Oh, you knew who I was talking about, even though I didn't mention who?
You must have amazing powers of perception
I don't have access to analog gear. Maybe some day in the future I will - I'm sure an Eventide does sound fantastic. Maybe an analog Moog or a Buchla filter sounds 10x better.
That's cool, I'm fine with that.
However - I'm just trying to make music and sounds with the best tools that I have access to, and through all my travels through soft synths this one (and Zebra) take the cake.
Let's see hardware do what Omni TR can do in a live performance setting. I'll take the flexibility and multi-timbral power of Omni over any hardware - I've yet to see hardware that can do what Omni does in that regard as nicely as Omni does it.
When I talked to Dick Trevor about Trilian/Omnisphere I asked him about analog and if he still uses it... He says he does sometimes, but more often than not its totally in the box and he had nothing but good things to say about the Spectrasonics filters.
Colin from OOOD and Nectarios from DH have both mentioned Trillian in high regard and I deeply respect their synth knowledge and unless I'm mistaken they don't run Trilian through hardware filters...or at least don't need to, to get something sounding good.
Hardware filters may be great - but that doesn't mean you can't make amazing stuff with the soft synth filters out there.
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looks like my perception is not that good ....
non of the artist you mentioned make sounds (for example,leads,fx...) the gives me goosebumbs,
listen to some sounds of shpongle, infected leads ,hallucinogen and (perhaps) you know what i mean.
They use eventide (not analog at all but unique)and/or analog synth and filters.
Try this:
buy a moogerfooger filter at thoman, try it, send it back, get your money back.
send a 303 emulation with filter full open to it , tweak and listen..... show me a plugin that sound like this and i buy two of it ,one for me,one for you.
Don´t get me wrong, the spectrasonics stuff is top
notch in the software domain ,but thats just all
Ps.: Alot of Orchestral stuff nowadays, moviesoundtracks for example, is coming from samples, not because it sounds like a real orchestra (ok, its really close).
Its because people (Consumers) don´t care....
And here we are with the whole music buisness thats going down,
Consumers don´t care = Producers don´t give a fuck
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Posted : Oct 17, 2011 00:17
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On 2011-10-16 21:24, faxinadu wrote:
its all cool software is also cool, geez one is not allowed not to like romplers?
You are allowed to do whatever you want to do. However, I simply am saying that if you tried a piece of software once and then deleted it you didn't give it a true evaluation.
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On 2011-10-16 23:01, Greententacle wrote:
looks like my perception is not that good ....
non of the artist you mentioned make sounds (for example,leads,fx...) the gives me goosebumbs,
listen to some sounds of shpongle, infected leads ,hallucinogen and (perhaps) you know what i mean.
They use eventide (not analog at all but unique)and/or analog synth and filters.
Try this:
buy a moogerfooger filter at thoman, try it, send it back, get your money back.
send a 303 emulation with filter full open to it , tweak and listen..... show me a plugin that sound like this and i buy two of it ,one for me,one for you.
Don´t get me wrong, the spectrasonics stuff is top
notch in the software domain ,but thats just all
Ps.: Alot of Orchestral stuff nowadays, moviesoundtracks for example, is coming from samples, not because it sounds like a real orchestra (ok, its really close).
Its because people (Consumers) don´t care....
And here we are with the whole music buisness thats going down,
Consumers don´t care = Producers don´t give a fuck
This thread is called Virtual Software Instrument of the year. You are talking about analog/hardware superiority, which to me doesn't exactly fit on topic. Anyways...
Yes, I know of what you speak. Simon Posford and the Twisted guys have access to million dollar studios and serious budgets for ancient analog synths and hardware effects, the best mics, blah blah. Yes, it sounds amazing and they do get goosebump inspiring sounds - but they use a lot of software these days too...it's about the producer not the tools (though of course quality tools do help)
303 emulation synth? Phoscyon. Sounds fucking glorious. Does it sound as good as a hardware 303? IDK, but it makes me smile every time I open up an instance of it because it sounds so good.
I get your point - analog sounds great. However, that doesn't mean that soft synths can't sound amazing.
I read a thread on psymusic.co.uk a while ago, and Ott was talking about making bass on the Hallucinogen In Dub album. He used a crappy vst for one of the tracks - truly what I would consider an unusable, complete shit synth. The bass? Amazing.
If you know what you are doing you can get extremely good sounds out of software, hardware, blah blah.
BTW, all of Inception, all of The Dark Knight - all made with soft synths (Zebra to be precise) - were those movie soundtracks low quality?
You're entitled to your opinion but to me you sound like someone driving up in a Bentley and saying that someones BMW is worthless and unusable.
Even worse that you get all self righteous and say that people using software instead of hardware are only doing so because we're lazy and 'don't give a fuck' - as that was how I interpreted your last statement. Get off your high horse imo.
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Posted : Oct 17, 2011 07:51
BTW, all of Inception, all of The Dark Knight - all made with soft synths (Zebra to be precise) - were those movie soundtracks low quality?
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Posted : Oct 18, 2011 22:20
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BTW, all of Inception, all of The Dark Knight - all made with soft synths (Zebra to be precise) - were those movie soundtracks low quality?
sorry but zimmer got like a dozen of multi millon dollar studios with pro tools system and external gear and audio engineers that could pump any synth up too sound as phat as hell... so... like... it doesn't really talk much about the synth itself for the commen dude like you or me...
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listening only to free music is like having the free possibility to satisfy yourself with thousends of different free sexual acts.
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Posted : Oct 19, 2011 01:26
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On 2011-10-17 07:51, Greententacle wrote:
BTW, all of Inception, all of The Dark Knight - all made with soft synths (Zebra to be precise) - were those movie soundtracks low quality?
Nope, just the drums..... but zebra is very good
it s good but not better than any good sounding softsynth.
and imo it s really true many jumped on soft synth (like me) cause of the workflow and lazyness of using hardware not really giving a fuck about sound quality...but today i realize it was a mistake cause with software, i dont really like the sound fully ,there is something different...maybe it s in my head i don t know ,just to be sure i have to integrate some hardware synths in my setup again and see.
but a well balanced clear mix is good no matter it s made with software or hardware it s about something else.
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On 2011-10-19 01:26, PoM wrote:
but a well balanced clear mix is good no matter it s made with software or hardware it s about something else.
that something else is about having goosbump and big smile,sound that i really love and touch me, that never hapend when i tweak my software synth..well i lie it hapned once sending sylenth to a 5000/10000 euros analog chain , i hope the culture vulture will give me these smile too but i think i will have to get something like a sh101 .
damn the 101 sound sweet the filter seems so good with the resonance ,it s stuff you never hear from soft synths, it just dont react like this, it sound real not fake .i feel satisfaction coming from the sound that i don t get with soft, need to get my hands on one to see if it s not just in my head..
