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PoM
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Posted : Jan 7, 2013 14:08
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yes it seems -12 rms is the limit ,a dream ... |
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Ricciardo
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Posted : Jan 8, 2013 02:04
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This topic makes me think about this:
why, i wonder why, Vynil is not a standard DJ thing??
it should be...
i explan: most of labels today when they release CD´s they are expecting that DJ´s buy them...
most of people who buy music today, its not because of earing it... but because they want to play it as DJ´s... doesnt matter if its digital or physical cd...
But there´s no doubt that vynil have more fatter sound and it works better on dancefloors IMO
so... if all the DJ´s had to play Vynil, they would had to buy them... that would automaticly drecrease the number of "fake" Dj´s out there...
it would also automaticly give a reason for labels start releasing stuff (vynil only)
i am not sugesting that ordinary people should stop acessing music...
what i think is: if the vynil was standard on DJing, then there would be a purpose for labels release only in Vynil and give away free mp3 for ordinary people consume, either on youtube or whatever...
and still, they would keep their standard format (vinyl) wich couldnt be "faked" or copied
this is something that allready crossed my mind a couple times, and this topic made me thing about it again...
easy acess to consumers, vynil for professionals, more quality on dancefloors for sure, and less piracy, this would definitly give more "professionalism" into psytrance scene IMO.
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Jan 8, 2013 03:04
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PSeuDoNyM
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Posted : Jan 8, 2013 03:55
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On 2013-01-08 02:04, Ricciardo wrote:
This topic makes me think about this:
why, i wonder why, Vynil is not a standard DJ thing??
it should be...
*****yes it is or atleast was... but since the days when pressing cd's became cheaper then pressing plastic it's changed.
i explan: most of labels today when they release CD´s they are expecting that DJ´s buy them...
most of people who buy music today, its not because of earing it... but because they want to play it as DJ´s... doesnt matter if its digital or physical cd...
But there´s no doubt that vynil have more fatter sound and it works better on dancefloors IMO
***** having done the club scene since the 80's I can say without no doubt vinyl sounds better and if more psytrance was on vinyl it would probably be more liked by dj's and clubbers worldwide just due to the fact that they would hear a less harsh sound then they do when hearing a cd being played loud in a club. For instance any one hear who has dj'd for years will agree as soon as a vinyl dj is done and the next one is cd based it looses it ooomph and becomes harsh and edgy sounding. And until all the hi's are lowered and the lows adjusted it stays that way, but by then the crowed has already lost the flow just due to the fact the groove they were in became edgy and harsh...
so... if all the DJ´s had to play Vynil, they would had to buy them... that would automaticly drecrease the number of "fake" Dj´s out there...
***** haha I doubt that I know planty of fake dj's with stacks of records
it would also automaticly give a reason for labels start releasing stuff (vynil only)
**** It cost's more to press records then cd's it's simple economics for the label.
i am not sugesting that ordinary people should stop acessing music...
what i think is: if the vynil was standard on DJing, then there would be a purpose for labels release only in Vynil and give away free mp3 for ordinary people consume, either on youtube or whatever...
****Today anyone can find great music released free. I really don't understand why so much is free I even do mix cd's which include free releases only there is so much.
and still, they would keep their standard format (vinyl) wich couldnt be "faked" or copied
this is something that allready crossed my mind a couple times, and this topic made me thing about it again...
easy acess to consumers, vynil for professionals, more quality on dancefloors for sure, and less piracy, this would definitly give more "professionalism" into psytrance scene IMO.
***** I agree to some point but on the professionalism side what needs to happen is all the dj's who play parties must know how to count to 4, what a phrase is, how to layer and if not staying in key some progression would be nice too many train wrecks by friends of promoters ruin this aspect of the scene.
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TimeTraveller
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I'd bet CD will disappear much faster than vinyl really will.. Infact CD is really a fast dying format.
I'm not really a hanger of vinyls etc infact I hear the sound only from my HDD although I own hundreds of vinyls and of cds even still too cause I can't sell them.
But I doubt vinyl will dye.. Or I know it really won't that fast it's fundamental in hip hop and a lot of genres that live meanwhile for many decades like punk for example which is quite big although underground and worldwide.
There are labels which releases for years only on vinyl and earn really money from releases. Scenes where fans will give artist something really back.
Whole genres that are proud to have like a stampmark somewhere on backside of cover an icon fuck cd - save vinyl.
For them the vinyl is like a part of the culture.
Vinyl has survived after decades of existing CD.. CD does no't sell.. vinyl does. People that own a collection of vinyls care of them as their ladies (except of me) people that have a collection of CD's have meanwhile long accounts on discogs or are rare.
The truth is CD will die .. and fast. Vinyl will not be commercial format anymore, but it will sell ^^
about the dj in psytrance.. as they used vinyls those were artists for me too.. nowadays that are people just showing what they like by pressing a key with a nice sync function etc that is nothing special no artwork no witchcraft everybody can do this.
Back in the days it was more than this kind of spinning of today, you could hear the dj is alive in the mix and it was often a much greater energy when a crossover transistion was really good.Also all the same shownig of unknowh though same sounding fresh demos.. I'd wish much more quality inna di sound. Cheers
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Ricciardo
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Posted : Jan 8, 2013 04:59
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On 2013-01-08 04:08, TimeTraveller wrote:
I'd bet CD will disappear much faster than vinyl really will.. Infact CD is really a fast dying format.
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no, i dont think so, CD´s may die as comercialized product for sure, but not as a format... since it will be allways anyone with a CD Drive recorder on a computer... doesnt matter how old, it will be allways more easy and faster to record a cd than a vinyl...
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 8, 2013 05:08
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use a usb stick.. sure, all the new formats are easier and faster to do whatever with but they live short. Vinyl with music in it is often considered as timeless.
The development of the music industry business should rest for a longer while at digital donwloads. No need for cds.It will stay by the collectors.
Vinyl is a special product IMO belongs stricktly to sound. No way it will disappear there are too many fanatics and bands making cash for their music via vinyl and also people thaught 10 and 20 years ago it will die out but nothing has changed in this respect.  https://soundcloud.com/shivagarden |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 8, 2013 08:02
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nevertheless I like CD's too..don't want to leave here an impression like they aren't good. I'd love to have a CD release someday in full 20Hz-20kHz quality
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Disciple
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Posted : Jan 8, 2013 13:29
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The problem with comparing Vinyl to CD is your forgetting the new kid on the block, High Def downloads (FLAC/ALAC).
Not Psytrance but see here for the new wave..
http://www.naimlabel.com/catalogue.aspx
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Ricciardo
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Posted : Jan 8, 2013 13:59
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Today i researched about Vinyl Burning, Recording
and i discovered interesting things about it...
its possible to buy a machine wich cost nearly 3000 euros to make vinyl disks, its definitly not cheap, it may be not profitable, perhaps unreliable, but if someone have the cash and interest of having a label Releasing LP´s on Vinyl, then its may be a good solution
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vestax-VRX-2000-vinyl-cutter-made-japan-/400229878613
the product is discontinued, but there seem to apear other alternatives out there, its no longer a big factory to record vinyl´s, i got scared after see the process on youtube, but it seems people had pretty good results in using this machines |
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 8, 2013 14:27
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intresting, i thought it would be much more.
about dj ,psytrance djs were kind of a shame already for the other electronics music scenes.. and moving to cd made it even worst .. seeing dj mix on cd was a big joke for many , similar feeling to press spacebar and call it a live act |
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 8, 2013 15:17
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On 2013-01-08 04:59, Ricciardo wrote:
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On 2013-01-08 04:08, TimeTraveller wrote:
I'd bet CD will disappear much faster than vinyl really will.. Infact CD is really a fast dying format.
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no, i dont think so, CD´s may die as comercialized product for sure, but not as a format... since it will be allways anyone with a CD Drive recorder on a computer... doesnt matter how old, it will be allways more easy and faster to record a cd than a vinyl...
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i think some newer computers are already sold wihtout any cd drive , i could be wrong on this but yes usb stick could replace it |
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astro_traveller
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Posted : Jan 8, 2013 15:18
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TimeTraveller
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jan 8, 2013 19:15
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Well if Putin's lapdog says it, it must be true.
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