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Views on piracy. Honesty please
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freechameleon
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Posted : Mar 14, 2010 21:16
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On 2010-03-13 15:06, PoM wrote:
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On 2010-03-13 13:41, freechameleon wrote:
stealing in my eyes is to charge more for a product than you/your company needs to live well. so please start telling me companies that don't produce for/ dream of wealth instead of survival!
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i don t see it at stealing, no one force you to buy their products, it s making money and there is nothing wrong with it?it don t justify piracy.if you use pirated softwares just assume it,you guys are trying to have good moral , i dont know how to say...listeing some of you guys we should all use piracy cause it seems a good thing to do lol
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just let me explain my point of view on this better:
let's say a company produces cars. all calculations are made so that the company and all involved are satisfied with a price of 10000 per unit. so they make good profit and all workers and managers can live well.
now what the company does - and all do it - they sell the car for 10100. that's 100 more than necessary, but the costumer who wants to buy this car, 'doesn't really care' about the 100 more, it's small compared to the total price of the car.
in the end the company sells 100000 pieces alltogether. so they made 10000000 more than necessary for them. they made money they didn't really need. they took more than necessary and in my eyes they stole 10000000 from the community, from families who have to work hard to survive.
and yes, this is good business and many approve this, but in my opinion it's one part of the downfall of modern society.
and with software it's even worse in my eyes, as it is a virtual product. one does not steal expensive material from the company. in the worst case one steals additional wealth (caviar/champaign/holiday on the maledives) from them.
they made their calculations - and those calcs are made very very well - so they know they will sell 10000 licenses for sure for a certain price. all is fine, they make good profit, all could live well. but some companies want to see people criminalized who copy the software for private and hobby use..
is it morally bad to lend a book to my friends so they don't need to buy it? they still read it for free, so did they steal money from the publisher, or from the author?
[and again, i don't need to explain my personal acting, as i use only 100% free software and i'm satisfied with it.] |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Mar 14, 2010 21:39
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First of all I find it rude and really lame to blame people that use the internet with its possibilites when loading a software down for non profital use.
This guys that have that money and think they are shanti and good to you a big fuck you.
IF you cannot afford why should you avoid doing sth you love when it is possible? ..unexpirienced egoistic smart asses.This is my honest public opinion about all those so good buyers who condemn people who are not able to spent money for this non profital hobby.
Second - all this discussions will turn into a big joke in a few years.All this critisism is understandable but you cannot turn back the wheel of time and yesterday won't ever appear tommorrow.
We are living in other times and soon all on internet will be for free - and it is very good so.
Open gates for open minded people.Let's hope to discover some great music soon ,from people that might would not even have a chance to use any music creating devices or programms in old times.
You have to develop other concepts of how to earn money through the net.Maybe through talent and no evil thaoughts.
And if you can than support the developer.I doubt that most people/artists that even have that cash buy all products they use.
Probably those who have not that financial possibilites investes lots of more.
You cannot generalize here anthing,you just could avoid the negative thining and be in balace with what you do .IF it is so.
All those guys who condemn people that cannot invest loose in the end.
Espescially in the times where there is far too much music for instance.You should be happy that you have people your music has attracted.
Travelling and get booked is the only way in the music "business" of today.Without friends you will even loose your bookings or people that want to see you life for what ever reasons .
I like for free plug ins the most,because the most are not that popular,but I know all other what is possible.And I recon there not a difference of any heavy meaning between an expensive product like for instance lexicon bundle or multiple for free reverb possibilites (as an example of many).
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Elad
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Posted : Mar 15, 2010 07:26
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look its THAT SIMPLE
bill gates is the richest man in the universe
while 90% of the people i know use CRACKED windows. actually 100% exept offices and working places.
now if thats not working out for you.. rethink.
all waves needs is to sell every pack once a week to pro studios and artists that actualy profit alot , that will make them more then 1,500,000 $ a year.
and anywayz in our conversation god told me its ok , no one going to hell for download warez.
argue with that 
(note that if you are business you might go to jail tho) www.sattelbattle.com
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elastic_plastic
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Posted : Mar 15, 2010 08:10
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well we wouldnt have so many producers today if everyone paid for ther stuff coz not everyone can afford it.... its tht simple.... and who doesent like to get stuff for free? lol |
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dreadieg
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Posted : Mar 16, 2010 06:39
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look at it this way. we all love psytrance, but alot of us are stinky dirty druggie party kids.... meaning we aren't all that rich. would you rather psytrance not get made while we all wait till we can spend 200 bucks on a computer program?
or would you rather bumpin tracks get made while we all find our way with random daws and vsts figureing out what we want to do with em?
its all a cycle. i started with cracked stuff and now i use it so much i just want a copy thats legit cause it'll work right.....
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APriest
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Posted : Mar 16, 2010 07:44
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Commercial software is for noobs  , when (if) i'll make money with my music i'll be enough skilled to use only freeware , without profit you aren't a thief because software isn't physical, it's not like stealing a car. |
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 16, 2010 15:30
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i m sure later you will all be happy to pay for some software you really like, when you ll grow up and become adults and have some money to spend (and there is not only big compagnies like waves, lot of smaller developers to help if they make very good plugs , think some people even donate to free developers)
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freechameleon
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Posted : Mar 16, 2010 17:05
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On 2010-03-16 15:30, PoM wrote:
i m sure later you will all be happy to pay for some software you really like, when you ll grow up and become adults and have some money to spend (and there is not only big compagnies like waves, lot of smaller developers to help if they make very good plugs , think some people even donate to free developers)
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ok, i'll bite..
i'm fully grown up (28), my gf and myself earn nice money together. as often as i can i buy from small companies and try to avoid the large corporate groups.
i could have chosen expensive software and all the other hip'n'trendy stuff, but i just didn't want to. ;-) we saved for a nice house, and that's what we bought recently. on a regular basis i support linux developer projects.
they deserve it. the managers of steinberg, microsoft or apple don't deserve their 5th porsche or whatever!
even my hardware stuff i tend to buy from small innovative companies. |
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Dharma Lab
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Posted : Mar 16, 2010 23:16
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Lots of different issues being brought to the table here. I'm going to draw an analogy here, and hope people find value thru the introspection, maybe even share it. I'm sure the analogy could be improved as well, but the main point is let's make it personal, instead of ideological.
software developer = musician
software application = musician's songs & performances
I invite you to play at my event. I manage to capture not just your performance output (the sound) but all of your performance input (your samples/stems, your workflow setup, your midi pattern, your ideas, etc).
I then take this information, and put it out on the internet. Thousands upon thousands of people download it. Some make money on it, some don't. You have no control over it anymore, and everyone now has access to all of it.
What's your first reaction?
How do you feel?
Now go back & look at the arguments you have made in this thread, and try to apply them to this analogy.
I'm not trying to prove a point, or pick a side here: I'm actually more interested in the specific details of your arguments thru this new analogy.
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vipal
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Posted : Mar 17, 2010 00:43
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first reaction: thats really well spread like this.
second reaction: but for free, no financial gain for me.
the last thing would be disappointing if i had the illusion that i could make money on what had happened. but i probably soon would realize my stupidity in thinking like that. it is as it is. point.
if i want to make money i need to come up with something that makes money. times have changed regarding a certain part of doing business in our world. it does not matter if i like it or not.
trying to change others people minds with moral arguments is a waist of time, some kind of mental masturbation, maybe you feel good but wtf.
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Mar 17, 2010 02:38
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dhrama lab,
If you want my midi patterns, samples, workflow setup and ideas, you only have to ask and i'll give it to you. i dont make a dime with it. maybe you can.
and its not like people are stealing the actual code
and artist's music is also being ripped and distributed on the net. boohoohoo |
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Mar 17, 2010 03:09
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it reminds me of a South Park episode where cartman start a christian gospel band..
and People are made to feel sorry for Lars Ulrich because he would not be able to afford his 40 carat gold bar (actual drinking BAR) because there music is being downloaded for free on the net. and it is a BIG DEAL
dhrama lab ,u'r a south park fan, r you not?
know which episode i'm talking about?
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Mar 17, 2010 08:29
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On 2010-03-16 17:05, freechameleon wrote:
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On 2010-03-16 15:30, PoM wrote:
i m sure later you will all be happy to pay for some software you really like, when you ll grow up and become adults and have some money to spend (and there is not only big compagnies like waves, lot of smaller developers to help if they make very good plugs , think some people even donate to free developers)
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ok, i'll bite..
i'm fully grown up (28), my gf and myself earn nice money together. as often as i can i buy from small companies and try to avoid the large corporate groups.
i could have chosen expensive software and all the other hip'n'trendy stuff, but i just didn't want to. ;-) we saved for a nice house, and that's what we bought recently. on a regular basis i support linux developer projects.
they deserve it. the managers of steinberg, microsoft or apple don't deserve their 5th porsche or whatever!
even my hardware stuff i tend to buy from small innovative companies.
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U r a saint.
bless your soul for supporting the underdogs like that
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Mar 17, 2010 08:44
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On 2010-03-15 07:26, Elad wrote:
look its THAT SIMPLE
bill gates is the richest man in the universe
while 90% of the people i know use CRACKED windows. actually 100% exept offices and working places.
now if thats not working out for you.. rethink.
all waves needs is to sell every pack once a week to pro studios and artists that actualy profit alot , that will make them more then 1,500,000 $ a year.
and anywayz in our conversation god told me its ok , no one going to hell for download warez.
argue with that
(note that if you are business you might go to jail tho)
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freechameleon
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Posted : Mar 17, 2010 16:14
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maybe it's funny in this context:
paul kalkbrenner played out in austria recently.
in the news they said that he got 30000 euro for this event. and he let the party people wait for hours, because there were too many people and he expected less.
his set lasted for 30 min and he asked for additional 15000 euro.
i guess it was people like him and his managers who pointed out the big problem of copying and started legal actions. |
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