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Views on piracy. Honesty please
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aciduss
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Posted : Mar 12, 2010 01:57
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 12, 2010 02:06
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On 2010-03-12 01:31, *eLliSDee* wrote:
well it's sad that for many psy artists it's highly unlikely that they will ever make enough money(from their productions alone) to cover the cost of the software they (honestly) should have payed for.
that makes almost no sense to me.
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you don t need many software to make killer tracks and have good production,i guess many have more plugins than what you can find in many top pro studios (and i m not talking psytrance i m talkign pro studio that mix tracks for the charts )and offcourse most psytrance production qulaity is not on par...don t believe a plugin will give you a killer sound ,a good mixer will have good sound whatever tool he use even freeware, just some tools make it easier and faster to get the work done.
the i use so many plugins that it will cost me so much to buy them make no sense to me.
about piracy as they say ..don t make money using warezed sofware |
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Mar 12, 2010 02:27
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^ok ok,
I guess i was exaggerating.
you can make decent enough tracks with your DAW alone, whats that +/- $500
i'll need quite a bit more to cover the cost of all the software i use.
+ it is probably unnecessary to use all them nice, expensive ,high quality, top of the range plugs.
i just have a piracy fetish. i see some cool plug and i just gotta have it
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 12, 2010 02:42
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you don t make you life easier,you should try to just stick to few plugs and learn them imo, in the hardware day producers often had just few tools and with time you really knew them well ,pushing them to their limits ,it can really help to get your sound to the next level same aply for plugins imo but it s not possible if you have too much of them(synths and fxs). |
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Mar 12, 2010 02:56
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i know,
i'm seeing a doctor about it
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dija
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Posted : Mar 12, 2010 03:54
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i agree condense your plugins as much as possible it will make your life so much easier. a small handful of plugs can achieve what u need. i've been through this as a newbie
and i'd spend more time looking at different plugins than i would getting done what needed done. however, this process is necessary to figure out which plugs you like and will use often. once you know that get what you need, learn it well, and boom! 
and yes don't make money using TOO MUCH warez softwares in psytrance. obviously if i open up a local recording studio i'll buy a copy of cubase. of course after my first client so i can afford it  http://www.youtube.com/user/trawhi (tutorials)
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E-KL!PSE
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Posted : Mar 12, 2010 03:58
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Personally I agree with PoM, I use to use FL studio alone, they sounded pretty decent to me. And alot of the time I only used native plugins. If you get too many plugs you just end up flicking through presets all day. And we all know how productive that is. To be honest my fav Psy bassline tool is the Logic native ES2.
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braininavat
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Posted : Mar 12, 2010 08:18
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On 2010-03-11 11:02, ohshit wrote:
Personally i see piracy as the wrong result of an imperfect business model.
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Well you are free to do so but that is simply delusional...Just like with selling music that can as easily be gotten for free as with paying, negating any kind of supply constraints..
On a supply/demand curve to price something, you can't construct a curve with infinite supply for free without the commodity/product/variable you are trying to price going to zero $$ as far as how much its worth. Thats probly the easiest econometrics that can be performed..
Thats the unreality of economic modelling though..the reality that manifest in the market is that you see totally overpriced "cubase"...only because there are some "suckers" who will buy it....so it actually isn't given away for free. Of course how ever the "suckers" need to be totally overcharged to keep the company in business to at least break even for all those who will not pay.
When there is infinite supply of something for free, no business model can make a profit...You may as well be looking for a business model to sell "bottled" air that has no container...
If your willing to buy "bottled air with no container" then I'll sell you as many units you want for 1 cent USD, or any fraction of one cent you care to pay, exactly so no one can undercut me. I'll ship your air as soon as the money hits my paypal account..its instant and has no transaction cost...
The reality of getting all these "goodies" for free is we all split the cost togather in stuff we will never even have a chance to buy.
Kyma aint never coming out on x86, because they are smart enough to not fall into this..
If there was no piracy, reaktor would have already smoked Kyma..people could actually make money selling music...but thats not reality...
The VST "revolution" has been over for 2-3 years...when you can't get paid properly for your time, your wasting your time in general..
20 years from now everyone will be using hardware again because its not economic in the slightest to make audio "software"...you will be forced to...Those ahead of the economic curve are buying "vintage" 90s digital RIGHT NOW.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Mar 12, 2010 08:36
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IDK, I don't really think piracy is a big issue at all when it comes to music software. Name me some software companies in the music business that are dying due to piracy.
For me, and I'm sure a good deal of others on this site, its very easy to pirate software - but that's because we've had experience doing it. Knowing the right site to go through, how to install and crack, all of this takes time and effort and a fair degree of technical know-how, and at the end of your hours of searching and installing you might have gotten a bad version, or a badly coded keygen, and all that time is lost.
A lot of people will pay money simply to not be hassled, moral decisions about pirating aside - and pirates will (as far as I can see) be a small % of the populace that uses the software. This is in no means my view on piracy in other mediums, but specific to high quality music software. |
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ohshit
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Posted : Mar 12, 2010 10:58
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On 2010-03-12 08:18, braininavat wrote:
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On 2010-03-11 11:02, ohshit wrote:
Personally i see piracy as the wrong result of an imperfect business model.
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you see totally overpriced "cubase"...only because there are some "suckers" who will buy it....so it actually isn't given away for free. Of course how ever the "suckers" need to be totally overcharged to keep the company in business to at least break even for all those who will not pay.
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Nope mate, i see cubase totally overpriced cause i use Reaper and Renoise.
Fruity Loops with lifetime free upgrades is another very interesting business model (even if i don't know it well).
Again, about Reaper there are some quotes from the official site that explain nicely what i mean:
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No Intrusive Copy Protection
We believe that technological enforcement of copy protection is not in the best interest of our customers.
Honest Business Model
We offer a good product at a fair price.
We don't spend money and effort on marketing, complicated piracy protection, or other things that do not directly improve REAPER and the user experience.
We think the good will generated by playing fair and being responsive to users is more valuable to our business than short-term profits.
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furthermore i find very smart to apply different pricing:
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Fair Pricing
There is only one version of REAPER. We offer two licenses, depending on how you use it.
$225: full commercial license.
$60: discounted license.
You may use the discounted license if any of the following is true:
* You are an individual, using REAPER only for personal use.
* You are an individual or business, using REAPER for commercial use, and the yearly gross revenue does not exceed USD $20,000.
* You are an educational or non-profit organization.
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gutter
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Posted : Mar 12, 2010 12:10
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On 2010-03-11 18:54, bukboy wrote:
U can choose to engage and grow or live in denial and be left behind.
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affirmative
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 12, 2010 17:24
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On 2010-03-12 08:36, willsanquil wrote:
IDK, I don't really think piracy is a big issue at all when it comes to music software. Name me some software companies in the music business that are dying due to piracy.
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without piracy we would have probably some nord and virus as vsti ,eventide...but it s not possible it would kill access if a virus ti vsti was done and pirated,for these hardware compagnie releasing software is like giving their code for free and it would really hurt their cell, maybe piracy can help the small compagnie but we miss lot of the best stuff cause of it |
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braininavat
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Posted : Mar 12, 2010 19:18
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On 2010-03-12 17:24, PoM wrote:
without piracy we would have probably some nord and virus as vsti ,eventide...
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of course we would...even more so than this we all pay up in the sense of the software that is impossible to make, just like we pay up for mp3s with music that will never cross your ears, never be bothered to be made.
While sure it would be sweet to have clavia, access and eventide VST...what sucks is there are 3 other companies that will never be formed that would have competed with them if it wasnt for piracy. |
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braininavat
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Posted : Mar 12, 2010 19:22
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On 2010-03-12 08:36, willsanquil wrote:
IDK, I don't really think piracy is a big issue at all when it comes to music software. Name me some software companies in the music business that are dying due to piracy.
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Is that because your...stupid???
Native instruments hasn't bothered putting a new version of reaktor in 5 years because its a waste of money...They have practically transformed from an innovative synth company to a soundware company. WHY? Because they have to go to the bottom of the barrel to stay in business..
Its time to pay the piper, there is no more FM7s to come compared to what was before it.its just a waste of time and resources.
While its fun to have some dipshit hippy attitude, "everything should be freee maaaaaaaaannnn"...it leads to alot of nothing. |
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ohshit
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Posted : Mar 12, 2010 19:56
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"everything should be freee maaaaaaaaannnn"...it leads to alot of nothing.
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I am not saying that i want ableton for free but i want to point out that Google, Gmail, Facebook, Twitter (just to name few) are FREE softwares (a site is a software app today) with a LOT of research and development. So it's possible to do great software and release it for free.
In the music sw market there are some smart things that i like to point out:
1)prices should be reasonable
2)licenses should be different for home users and pros
3)copy protection are a waste of cpu cycle
4)remember that is better to sell 10 times more for a price 10 times lower than the inverse
And i don't care about NI, is in great wealth, they have just relased Alicia Keys piano so (i suppose) they have just spent a lot of money to pay her copyrights. That money could be spent in r&d for a synth...
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