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Views on piracy. Honesty please
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E-KL!PSE
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Posted : Mar 10, 2010 12:41:00
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This is a very touchy subject but I will throw it in anyway.
How does every one feel on piracy here, especially in the production software way of things. Me personally, I used to do that back when I was learning 14/15 years old. But now I buy ALL of my software. Once I had seen the light I removed all of my Pirated software from the computer and bought legit copies of the ones I used. But but when pro's are using warez software that really makes me upset. I think they don't know what they are actually doing to the music scene. If people don't produce these products how are to producers going to release music and how are people going to listen to music, most off all what are we going to enjoy at these awesome events, wind blowing in the air. I don't think so. Sure I know what you thinking "we'll use the good old fashioned ones", still I feel it really sucks the way the web has ruined the music industry.
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Eleusene
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Posted : Mar 10, 2010 13:30
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What makes me upset is when artists using warez start whining about ppl not buying their releases.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Mar 10, 2010 14:28
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Its not helping the developers that is for sure. Its not "right", or legal. But I'd be a hypocrite pointing fingers, even if I have a legit copy of Logic and use them synths day in day out. We all do things that are not "right" or legal, but that is a different story.
The thing is I can't get cracked software being on an Intel based Mac and not having a torrent account. Would I be downloading if I could? I can't answer that, because there are quite a few plug ins that I want, but simply can't get. The good side from this is that I was forced to learn Logic's plug ins, quite well.
The main downside is that this whole piracy issue, inhibits software development. I bet there would be a lot better software out there today, if we all paid every soft synth we owned. Look at hardware digital synths, they are basically software in a box and with much less processing power than the average PC/Mac. But you could not download a Nord Lead 2X for example, you had to pay for it, paying the wages of people that were willing to bang their heads together and put out a digital synth, that sounded awesome, more than a decade ago!
It sucks, but again, I am not pointing any fingers.
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ansolas
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Posted : Mar 10, 2010 14:32
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ansolas
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Posted : Mar 10, 2010 14:34
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Posted : Mar 10, 2010 14:35
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On 2010-03-10 14:34, ansolas wrote:
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On 2010-03-10 14:28, disco hooligans wrote:
Look at hardware digital synths, they are basically software in a box and with much less processing power than the average PC/Mac. But you could not download a Nord Lead 2X
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yessa, and those boxes are rock solid and 100% reliable.
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They don't run on windows, innit 
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ansolas
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Posted : Mar 10, 2010 14:46
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On 2010-03-10 14:35, disco hooligans wrote:
They don't run on windows, innit
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My experience regarding MACs and 'reliability'...
Funny that you mention that , years ago I sold my G5 and Logic since it was so unreliable.
Theses times there were tons of BUGS in Logic.
anytime this System overload Message even at <1% System load, that this sudden channel death issue and incompatible issues with NI Software.
After years of using Hardware I went back to try again a mac with Profoold HD 8 (yes OSX and yes on a real mac)since I thought Protools for that money should be a solid System.
But the same sh* unstable Bugs etc ... In the last Month I posted tons of Bugs to AVID which they confirmed to be a bug btw.
I have now sold the whole System since I do no longer support such incompetency.
Some time ago I got back Cubase 5 on Windows 7 x64 which runs 100% stable for me now.
With 3 years warranty on the computer for much less money.
No hick ups no nothing and even my NI Software is now working without any flaw.
Before switching to Windows 7 and Cubase, I tried Logic on my Macbook Pro to give it another chance/try.
The Window redraw behaviour is quite slow in Cubase but at least it is reliable.
After playing for 30mins and Loading Battery Logic quits, *BOOM* as steve jobs used to say.
I am happy that anything is working for you 100% *knockONWood*
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musAphira
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Posted : Mar 10, 2010 14:49
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sometimes (esp. on business startup) some companies releases their software with minimal copy protection in order to archive standard in the market  "Wind..." *cough "...dows" 
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Nectarios
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Posted : Mar 10, 2010 14:50
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On 2010-03-10 14:46, ansolas wrote:
I am happy that anything is working for you 100% *knockONWood*
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Its working, but not 100%. Legit copies of Logic 7 and Logic 8 have crushed far more times on my MacPro than my cracked version of Logic 5.5 on my old PC.
Good thing the backup logic forlder backs up all my logic song files. Yet its not a big problem, this happens like once every two months. Logic 5 crashed on my old PC 2-3 times in the 3 years I was using it!
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ansolas
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Posted : Mar 10, 2010 14:52
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Posted : Mar 10, 2010 14:54
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I usually noticed crashes with Logic when using 3rd party plugins. That said it's version 8, I wonder how it's on 9 on the 64bit os and how the plugins were developed for it.
As to the subject,
I suppose software piracy exists in every sector - be it audio or video or gaming etc. It's part of the software world of today, and might or may not change ever. Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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soulfood
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Posted : Mar 10, 2010 18:14
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I d/l pirate software but only because I haven't got cash to risk on buying something that at first seems useful only to later realise I wasn't thorough enough with it.
Usually I'll end up just buying licenses anyway unless eg. it's really expensive processing plugins that work ok but I can't justify spending $4000 on and end up realising that my DAW native plugins are just fine.
A lot of stuff sounds amazing but the GUI gives no spark so usually I'll d/l it then go back to albino after 2 weeks which I have owned for 5 years now.
I'm a minimal plugs kind of guy really.
When I first got into this whole game I'd be out to download everything I can, but now I understand it all a little better I'm barely even fussed about new VST releases because I'm not done with the old stuff yet... I should also add the albino I'm using is version 2  |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Mar 10, 2010 18:23
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On 2010-03-10 18:14, soulfood wrote:
A lot of stuff sounds amazing but the GUI gives no spark so usually I'll d/l it then go back to albino after 2 weeks which I have owned for 5 years now.
I'm a minimal plugs kind of guy really.
When I first got into this whole game I'd be out to download everything I can, but now I understand it all a little better I'm barely even fussed about new VST releases because I'm not done with the old stuff yet... I should also add the albino I'm using is version 2
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Same here. Albino 3 is the only cheap 3rd party soft synth I found it was worth getting.
I'm gonna rip that synth to shreds before I get anything else. It's already getting heavy usage for the 3rd album tracks. The palette of sounds is absolutely massive and there are a lot of spectral waveforms that sound very good, whereas in ES2 only a few where good to my ears.
The raw sounds are really good, very nice sounding and diverse filters as well.
Rob Papen should put me on his paycheck list!
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Elad
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Posted : Mar 10, 2010 19:40
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On 2010-03-10 12:41:00, E-KL!PSE wrote:
This is a very touchy subject but I will throw it in anyway.
How does every one feel on piracy here, especially in the production software way of things. Me personally, I used to do that back when I was learning 14/15 years old. But now I buy ALL of my software. Once I had seen the light I removed all of my Pirated software from the computer and bought legit copies of the ones I used. But but when pro's are using warez software that really makes me upset. I think they don't know what they are actually doing to the music scene. If people don't produce these products how are to producers going to release music and how are people going to listen to music, most off all what are we going to enjoy at these awesome events, wind blowing in the air. I don't think so. Sure I know what you thinking "we'll use the good old fashioned ones", still I feel it really sucks the way the web has ruined the music industry.
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my honest opinion is that ANYONE can make music this days for almost free.
so thats kinda great no??
anywayz its exactly like artists who their music is downloaded illegal for free.
they can think its more crowd for them or they can think the hole world are thieves.
infected chose to use that as booster for their live gig and encourage fans to download.. the more they downloaded the more they sold at concerts.
so my solution is throu the link in my signature , where you can free download my music directly.
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@ktif
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Posted : Mar 10, 2010 20:06
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Ok...
Consider on the other hand the target market for Logic and Cubase for example, and why they cost so much. We are not the target market I believe. Their market is acedemia and commercial recording houses that legaly HAVE to pay, or else they can't make money...tons of money.
The couple hundred you got paid for your track is not putting Logic or Cubase in the red...Consider that the profit margins in other audio industries are orders of magnitudes higher...Movie, pop music ect ect...
Psytrance producers are not killing the development of new ideas/products because your not buying your softs. As long as the the big money makers in the industry are reporting profit, so are the developers.
I know this sounds like I am attempting to justify piracy, which I am not. I am just stating that I don't think we are hurting anything...
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