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subconsciousmind
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shamantrixx
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On 2007-06-30 19:00, subconsciousmind wrote:
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Which side do you believe I tend to take? |
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It's my damn bad english again... I don't think that you're taking sides. I'm trying to point out that your logic has validity but that same logic can give way much more conclusions if you develop initial criteria to the maximum extent. Hopefully by the end of my post I'll be able to describe this good enough.
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On 2007-06-30 19:00, subconsciousmind wrote:About the cutting thing...
I really didn't think you are the kind of person who falls for completely twisted TV reports, which actualy fool people just with that "we can't create anything that is not there" logic. The statement is true, but thats the tricky thing with cutting a movie and TV etc. |
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So far so good. Now imagine your self in front of a camera perfectly aware (as you are) about the power of cutting the film and playing with the initial context of your statement.
Seeing this picture now tell me, would you be so careless and give them much to play with or would you make your statements as short as possible, precise and explicitly without any metaphores that can be twisted and put out of context?
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On 2007-06-30 19:00, subconsciousmind wrote:
Speaking of this movie (doesn't mean that I believe this, but to be fair)
...We all have weak minutes.. haven't we? |
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Beyond any doubt. We all have them and yes... this could be just a case of having one of those moments. But than again... you try to imagine your self in their shoes and tell me if this looks like a 'classical' bad minute that you could have?
I say that it is possible only to the extent that you can imagine your self having such experience as well.
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On 2007-06-30 19:00, subconsciousmind What do you want to say? That we do not deserve all equal respect and understanding? what have the others to do with that.. I don't understand your point?
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No. I really believe the same thing you believe. We all deserve equal understanding and respect. But equal respect really means equal to ones behavior. It is insane to treat with equal respect George W. Bush and Ghandi. Obviously treating them with equal respect ends up in respecting one more than you respect the other. The tricky party is to pay them equal understanding as well and really understand that we're not here to judge the 'bad' things. Our duty is to recognize and reinforce the right things and have compassion for those who had to be 'wrong' so that we can see what stands up above wrong and thus be able not to repeat the same mistake as they did.
If you take even a short look on a subject of history you can see in an instant that history repeats only because we tend to repeat the same mistakes over and over again 
And I really hope that this time my 'skill' of communicating in foreign language will not fail me. Because I'm sure that it is the only limit in otherwise perfect understanding of the same idea and only looking to it from another direction.
edit: ...and one more thing you need to be aware of. By setting criteria for 'them' we also set them for our self. If I ever even get to be seen as an music artist on some web video many will remember that I should be a perfect match for criteria I was trying to set when others have been looked at. And to tell you the truth, nor I would wish any other criteria for my self. So what's really wrong with demanding a lot from your self, and where exactly this produces that negative effect everybody's talking about?  "It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
Albert Einstein, speaking about his theory of relativity |
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Anak
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Posted : Jul 1, 2007 12:10
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Jul 1, 2007 12:16
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Sham,
I believe I understand your point. I do not agree in adjusting "respect" to ones behaviour. Who am I to judge, which behaviour demands which amount of respect, which meassures do I apply? But thats just how I do it.
When it comes to understanding, having the same for each is especially important, since it is always easy to understand the people who do "good" and especially difficult to understand the ones who do bad. Again, who am I to judge what is good and what is bad?
I believe we actualy agree here. (BTW having understanding doesn't mean to approve or agree or let happen, but this is leading to far)
History, of course, I do not need a short look, since I'm a history teacher and try to make exactly this point clear to my students every week.
About the camera thing. What I say is, that I see two guys, whom which especially skazi, IN MY EYES try during filming, to appear as "cool" as "funny" "invincibly" as possible. Maybe somebody cut only these moments into a piece of movie, maybe they did it themselfes. All I want to interpretate, turning on my understanding module, that maybe behind their shell, which they seem to show me, the MAY just be afraid to show more of them. All their (really a for me too a little beavis and buthead like) behaviour, which you find so ridicoulous and others here do not care about, is in my eyes just protection for their insecurity.
But thats already more than enough interpretation and very possibly totaly wrong.
Its good to demand a lot of ones self. I do not set a "criteria" for them. They can do what they want. Everybody takes his own conclusions.
Mine is: "I almost not got to know them through their music and I didn't learn anymore about them through the video, maybe they don't want to show their real inner, uncool self, or they are afraid of doing it."
I understand perfectly what you see in this video sham, all I want to tell "your side" is that the way you express it, doesn't show respect and understanding.
I understand and appreciate, that there is somebody here who sees the "show" they are delivering and doesn't just take this behaviour as given or even "normal". also the fact that you express your opinion here, trying to show another point of view, I like it. Just the way you do it is not productive in my eyes. Its "polarizing".
"Ego" is just protection.
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Jul 1, 2007 12:20
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On 2007-07-01 12:10, Anak wrote:
the discussion wouldn't take place if we weren't biased against them so much
btw, i think we've got a HIT there, baba.
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BTW:
I believe most are especially biased about skazi, not talamasca
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Jul 1, 2007 15:00
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On 2007-07-01 12:16, subconsciousmind wrote:
Who am I to judge, which behaviour demands which amount of respect, which meassures do I apply? |
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OK. Here you go with utter uncertainty about what is truly right and what is beyond any doubt wrong. Indeed, one can NEVER be sure beyond any doubt simply because we're capable to doubt EVERYTHING except the fact that we ARE conscious. Everything else is more or less likely to be right or wrong. This is the very foundation of functional dualism.
BUT! Sentence or two latter you have quite different statement.
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On 2007-07-01 12:16, subconsciousmind wrote:
History, of course, I do not need a short look, since I'm a history teacher and try to make exactly this point clear to my students every week. |
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Here you don't seem to have any doubt about making your point to the students (and I am really glad to hear you say that). But in making your point you have obviously decided that repetition of history is not exactly the 'right' way to navigate into the future. So when you FEEL you're right you don't need to have any proof and you don't doubt your own judgment. Of course you don't because to have a personal judgment about something is judgment that you apply to your self without affecting those who's behavior you reflect in making a personal judgment.
So where my 'skills' have failed me you have provided my best argument. But that really your best argument as well because this was never about who is wrong and who is right. A 'game' like this needs no 'loser' and never has a loser. There can not be a state of joy in the sea of misery. We all win or we all lose.
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On 2007-07-01 12:16, subconsciousmind
"Ego" is just protection.
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And by recognizing it for what 'EGO' is we have done the only thing one really has to do with it. Recognize the patter, do not try to prevent it from happening but don't let it act in your behalf. That's all we have did here in the first place. It was never about how good those guys really are. It's about what is our value system based on and I think we have a solid foundations.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Jul 1, 2007 15:14
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BUT! Sentence or two latter you have quite different statement.
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On 2007-07-01 12:16, subconsciousmind wrote:
History, of course, I do not need a short look, since I'm a history teacher and try to make exactly this point clear to my students every week. |
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Here you don't seem to have any doubt about making your point to the students (and I am really glad to hear you say that). But in making your point you have obviously decided that repetition of history is not exactly the 'right' way to navigate into the future.
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Which needs a bit of clarification from my side. I show them THAT history repeats, I show them the patterns, but I do let them decide themselves what they find right or wrong.
My history teaching is manly dominated from me delivering the "story" and them discussing in own groups what they think of it.
Teenager react very bad on teachers "moralizing" so I usually never say if I find something right or wrong. I want to teach them to THINK, not to think what I think.
We are really of topic now 
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PoM
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Posted : Jul 1, 2007 15:35
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everytime there is a topic about skazi it s always the same,i don t like his music same for cedric but it s not a reason to write shit ,i don t understand why some people have to always prejudge others... |
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Jul 1, 2007 16:27
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@ subconsciousmind: you teach them about the history and let them make their own judgment. I never had any different view of how you're actually doing your job. But that also rests on your judgment that History really is the way you present it to your students. And if History turns out to be different they could easily get wrong personal judgment based on your believes that you ware never 100% sure about.
Because if one can know anything at all it is the notion that one can never really know beyond any doubt that there is nothing more to be known beyond what he knows at this moment. Isn't it? And yet again... every choice you've ever made was based on certain level of feeling secure about what you choose. There's no way out of this... that is the very essence of every 'spiritual' awareness. Know thy self with all the limitations that 'self' imposes on 'you' because notion of 'self' really is nothing but limitation. Only true limit we really have.
@ PoM: by this statement you only make it clear that you did not even bother the read topic. So I really don't have anything to add to your statement. It's perfect just the way it is.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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PoM
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Posted : Jul 1, 2007 17:01
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yes i haven t read all it was too scary for me ,i hope you dont analyse everyhing in your life like this video or it must be a pain to live like that. |
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Jul 1, 2007 18:31
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True. Life is far less painful if you live trough it and never analyze anything. Yet with so many people not analyzing anything it's almost a miracle to see that most of people live in their deepest misery. But I guess that's just my inability to perceive the true power of not analyzing
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
Albert Einstein, speaking about his theory of relativity |
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Jul 1, 2007 18:34
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sham, youre not telling me anything new. I do my best to present history as "uncolored" and international as possible.
Pom, "ignorance is bliss" (cypher, matrix part 1, 1999)
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Posted : Jul 1, 2007 19:35
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Posted : Jul 1, 2007 22:48
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I like it when people do video's like this. It reminds me that all people, are people. They actually remind me of of me and my friends, we are just big nerds sitting around being like  that sounds sweet! Really we all look like big nerds I'm sure, sitting there clicking our mouse leaning up towards a computer screen, hehe.
Pretending like we're cool simply to make each other laugh, it's just good fun.
I also learned something from the video, or at least it reminded me to set up a hot key for the reverse function, I've been meaning to do that and totally forgot.
thanx for sharing the link original poster 
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psylevation
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Posted : Jul 1, 2007 22:54
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Oh also the idea of play a bunch of different parts then and recording it, then taking those parts and picking a piece that sounds good for a section and chopping it up using that piece, very good stuff. Whether or not you like their music, they are very experience and you can learn alot from them
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