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tom anteater
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Posted : Jul 18, 2002 18:51
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so what do people think. which is your favourite london venue?
i think the rex wins for me, though the promoters need to get in a decent system on their nights. i rather liked the arches as well, but not with as many people as were at logic bomb  and the maligned eq warehouse is a nice venue too though it is in the middle of nowhere and the beer is robbery.
but we all know what bad is right? no one is goona defend electrowerkz (surely!) and i always thought tyssen street was an unpleasant hole - its just the nights there were excellent...
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MonasticSquid
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Posted : Jul 19, 2002 00:32
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I think you all pretty much said it for me: *Tyssen Street, rockin parties but absolute hole (run by the yardies wasn't it?); *Brixton Acc, sloping floor (and when you've trouble telling up from down anyway.. the floor doesn't help things!!) - and the sound system is too small for the 'space' it's trying to fill.!; *Arches, tight ass security and a 'sweat drip' ceiling problem.!!, *EQ centre, ...aarrghggh no more EQ please..!!, .... I really enjoyed the days of Mindscapes@*the drome, Chichimi@*The George/(and the *other place just next to it.. cant remember the name.!) and also Magic Stuff@.... *another place I cant remeber the name of (shit man my memory is shot to hell...) but im sure Tom knows where I mean..
.....yup.. those were the sweet venues for me.. Now, it's gotta be the *Rex-(it's like the Brixton Acc without the slopey floor... and lots of places to sit down)........but im sure once promoters flog it to death then we'll all be hacked off with it as a venue too..!!
..also... Re. venues, no one thinks of 'The Fridge', which despite it's 'comercial face' now... was the beginings of indoor Trance in London (wasn't it ?.. I did my first Return to the Source there about 94'.. or just before it moved to the B A... 
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tigga
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Posted : Jul 19, 2002 12:19
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well, not being london based only gives me a limited opinion. having never been to the rex i have no idea about it, but tom assures me it is a quality venue - and i do trust him on the occassional matter from time to time.
tyssen st, well, it may just be rose-tinted 20:20 hindsight but for me there hasn't been a venue that can hold parties like tyssen st.
yes it was a hole, pretty filthy, the toilets flooded, the security were total bastards on one occassion to me (not letting me back in when i'm in t-shirt with a head FULL of acid in December), female members of the crowd always talked of sleazy guys but if you ignore of all these negative factors (i know it's difficult)....the parties were f-ing awesome, the high ceiling allowed for massive 3D sculptures in the ceiling, the buzz of the venue as you walked in was great (this may be construed as sad but...the door that you walked in to the right of the main floor and a few stairs leading down so you could see over the whole massive dancefloor was quality) and beer was cheap and sold ad hoc rather than at the Arches where they turn of taps at 2 or 3am is it? that it just plain wrong.
The EQ, well it was good for a while, i have had some good nights there but they are always followed by a mammoth walk to stratford tube or sitting for 3 hours at the train for the first sunday train. crap space sound, it doesn't allow it to expand, it is compressed into the room for the word go, nowhere to properly sit down and chill, £3 for a can of beer is f-ing ridiculous, a downright scandal, and it's a nightmare to get in.
basically, nearly all the venues are shite by the very nature of our music scene. this means the cheapest venues are sought, which is fine i would probably do the same, so we ain't ever going to get a quality clean etcetc venue - it should be possible but i don't know....my preference for an indoor venue (i hate them all - they are just not meant to be for trance - outside is the only way) is large dancefloor and high ceilings with a quality system, think of the Eskimo Noise system in tyssen st....and i can ignore the rest - which is why tyssen st did it for me.......i guess you will all shout GO TO THE REX then and i guess i probably should and then give you all another diatribe!
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Astral Mike
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Posted : Jul 20, 2002 18:03
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On 2002-07-19 12:19, tigga wrote:
...The EQ, well it was good for a while, i have had some good nights there but they are always followed by a mammoth walk to stratford tube or sitting for 3 hours at the train for the first sunday train. crap space sound, it doesn't allow it to expand, it is compressed into the room for the word go, nowhere to properly sit down and chill, £3 for a can of beer is f-ing ridiculous, a downright scandal, and it's a nightmare to get in.
basically, nearly all the venues are shite....
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The EQ was "good for a while". What does that mean?
It's still the same venue as before Tigga! The exception being it has now installed a much better Sound System which now takes up less dance floor space.
The chill out areas are approx the same size as Tyssen Street, and much bigger than the basement chill out room @ "THe REX".
FACT : The "Eskimo Noise rig" at Tyssen was hired by certain promoters, not by the venue.
As far as i am aware only Astral Phoenix & Enlightenemnet where ever prepared to pay for this quality sound system. Even @ the EQ, Astral Phoenix paid extra to bring in "Eskimo Noise".
The size of the main dance room @ EQ is deceptively large. It actualy compares well with Tyssen (by sq ft).
Yes the ceiling could be higher, but come on this is "nit-picking", if all promoters bothered to install turbo cooling fans through out the venue (and limited the numbers), it would not be a concern.
We understand the transport problems of getting to EQ. But stop the complaing please, after all its much harder to get to an outdoor event using public transport than the EQ!
For this reason the "EQ" like Tyssen Street will always have a more underground charm in the long term than those venues a few hundred meters from a tube station. ie The REX, the Fridge, the DRome, etc...
If it's too easy to get to then you just get total ass-holes going eventually (ever been to the Fridge in the last 2 years??).
However, to make it easier for people to get to, both "Wacko Shanti" on the 3rd Aug & "Astral Phoenix" on the 17th Aug are providing shuttle bus services to & from the EQ from Stratford Station!
"£3 for a can of beer is f-ing ridiculous, a downright scandal"
@ Tyssen Street it cost £2.50, what's the big deal. Prices of beer is expensive in ALL venues. Why so upset about Beer anyway? Do you all really want to get pissed-up at a psychedelic party ??
I think the psy-trance scene sufferes alot from internal negative attitudes. Perhaps if people where a little more open-minded they would see that the venues used by the Psy scene are actually very good.
"it's a nightmare to get in"
- rubish!, get a ticket in advance (like evryone else) and you don't have this problem!
"so we ain't ever going to get a quality clean venue".
So was the "Drome" clean? No. But everyone loved it. Dirty "Warehouse" parties have ALWAYS had the best atmosphere ever since the rave/acid house scene started!
I get the feeling this subject is completely subjective and fickle. It's very controversial and opinon is far too easily swayed by party politics.
Tom's original question was "which is your FAVOURITE london venue? "
Do you really have to rubbish a venue that you don't like. Moreover, without the EQ there would not have been any venues to go to. Astral Phoenix & Chichime (The "Nexus" party) had the "balls" NOT to cancel when (with only 2 hours to go before the "doors opened") Tyssen was shut down. They managed to find a new really good venue, the "EQ" (and still over 700+ people came!). This is how "EQ Warehouse" came into the scene! So, for no other reason, i think people should give the "EQ" a little more credit, after all it has played a very important contribution.
I have seen this all before.....
When the Drome became popular (after "Mindscapes" launched), most of the promoters left Tyssen st and created the "We HATE tyssen street" bandwagon. Astral Phoenix however stayed @ Tyssen Steet (and was as popular as ever!).
After the Drome closed down, most of the promoters hypocritcaly went back to Tyssen st. Tyssen st then closed and now we have the same situation with "EQ" vs "The REX"! This Venue vs Venue thread is pathetic, it's blindingly obvious that this topic will be corrupted & perverted by party politics.
Currently the majority of UK psy-trance promoters are falling over themselves to book the REX. In turn this encourages the promoters to "influence" the scene's mindset and to rubbish the "EQ" as both venues are locacted within a mile from each other (and directly competing for the same crowd).
So come on guys, stop acting like sheep and try to be a little more original with your comments. If you really HATE a venue then just don't go.
Anyone got anything positive to say, ie the good points about a "favorite venue" as originally asked?
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Posted : Jul 20, 2002 18:42
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Posted : Jul 23, 2002 20:47
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Eq had a friendly security , never been to the Rex, I 've left london a year ago.
But why the promoters are not going for warehouses with high ceilings? I am sure london is full of them. Is it because of the CJB?
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MonasticSquid
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Posted : Jul 23, 2002 22:39
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On 2002-07-23 20:47, gkalpakas wrote:
"..Eq had a friendly security.."
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..dude .. the ONLY time I ever seen a fight at a PsyTrance Party was at Alien Project, EQ centre... The Security guy was a big 'thug' and he just moshed a skinny little trancer (for what ever reason).. and it was all wrong :-( ..but when you have thugs not security...this shit happens (im sure MINDSCAPES used 'just as big', but much more 'user friendly' security) ... I never saw/felt a problem with them
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Astral Mike
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Posted : Jul 23, 2002 22:56
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..dude .. the ONLY time I ever seen a fight at a PsyTrance Party was at Alien Project, EQ centre... The Security guy was a big 'thug' and he just moshed a skinny little trancer (for what ever reason).. and it was all wrong :-( ..but when you have thugs not security...this shit happens (im sure MINDSCAPES used 'just as big', but much more 'user friendly' security) ... I never saw/felt a problem with them
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..Dude.. Secuity get hired & Fired alot at venues, and yes there was one thugish secruirty guard who has since lost his job @ EQ. However i have worked @ Eq for over a year and have never seen anything like you just discribed MonasticSquid, and yes i was there at that Liquid Connective event @ EQ. It was packed out beyond belief, and under these circumstances the secuirty at any venue tend to get over-stressed with the excess numbers.
Please quit this stupid EQ bashing, its a GREAT venue with Friendly secuirty (yes you can smoke spiff without hassle).Don't just take one incident (over WHATEVER reason) and make a mountain over it. Lessons get learnt and parties/venues improve. Thats how things progress...
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MonasticSquid
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Posted : Jul 24, 2002 00:40
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On 2002-07-23 22:56, Astral Mike wrote:
"Please quit this stupid EQ bashing",
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..Astral Mike... Shanti Shanti... Im just giving my opinion (as a punter) and I have been going to the EQ since day 1..... Its ok if I dont like the EQ as a venue (its had some top parties)... but where as most people are always miffed by its location.. I get miffed by its overall vibe/energy.. I dont like it.. and so I made a choice not to go there anymore...as a punter!... but I understand that a party promoter as yourself does not have such a choice when faced with a shortage of 'Sizeable' venues....
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Posted : Jul 24, 2002 10:02
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Although i havent been to Drome ,fridge and Rex ,i ll say that Tyssen street was the best venue. i really enjoy the decoration and the sound there , also most of killer parties occured there, like the Infected Mushroom and Vibraspheres last year.When the venue was full open (all the areas) it was incredible, lots of different people, different nations , colors everywhere ,crazy people.
But still i believe that the best indoor parties in london occure in private , "undeground" places such as old Cathedrals , Warehouses .
As for Eq i have been couple times it wasnt bad but not something special at the same time..
Anyway this year i will return back to Uk so i am going to check the new places..see yaa!
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tigga
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Posted : Jul 24, 2002 14:16
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On 2002-07-20 18:03, Astral Mike wrote:
"The EQ was "good for a while". What does that mean? "
---it means that the venue was nice for a while Mike, but actually when you have been to it several times you realise it's not that great....
"FACT : The "Eskimo Noise rig" at Tyssen was hired by certain promoters, not by the venue. "
---no offence but some people outside of the promotion side of things do know a fair amount about the people who do promote, and i know and i'm sure many others do to, that eskimo noise is hired by promters and not by the venue. i was remembering how good it was, in tyssen st and saying how poor the system was in the EQ in comparison.
"The size of the main dance room @ EQ is deceptively large. It actualy compares well with Tyssen (by sq ft). Yes the ceiling could be higher, but come on this is "nit-picking"...."
---it compares well by sq ft, this is just stats and it is not a fair representation of the feeling of the space - tyssen st is larger FACT. and nit-picking, this is a discussion board. what do people want? a list of venues in london...the rex is my favorite venue, the EQ is mine etc.
"£3 for a can of beer is f-ing ridiculous, a downright scandal" @ Tyssen Street it cost £2.50, what's the big deal. Do you all really want to get pissed-up at a psychedelic party ?? "
---well actually i like to have a drink and nearly everyone i know that goes to parties likes to have a drink, and most of them are skint...if we come down from leeds to go out in london we can end up spending 100 quid in a weekend and so 3 quid is actually a hell of a lot of cash especially when I don't earn a hell of a lot - maybe if you live in london and you get used to these prices it isn't a BIG deal but it is.
"it's a nightmare to get in"
- rubish!, get a ticket in advance (like evryone else) and you don't have this problem!
---because we travel down from the north we get a ticket in advance everytime and everytime without fail i know someone who has a ticket that doesn't get in. so RUBBISH! venues in london can be a total nightmare to get into. Don't be blind to what people say.
"So come on guys, stop acting like sheep and try to be a little more original with your comments. If you really HATE a venue then just don't go."
---Perhaps you should respect the views of the people that come to your events a little more, calling people sheep and not even being original with your comments doesn't exactly rub off well....
this is a discussion board and we are here to discuss what we feel about things - in particular about venues in london - if you don't like what is being said about venues that you promote events at, perhaps you should just not read them.
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PsYoNiC
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Posted : Jul 25, 2002 15:28
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well i only visited two venues: tyssen street and eq......tyssen street was overcrowded with the infected party but a nice venue...the eq was weird the first time we're there, strange neighbourhood espescially on a sunday morning with a head full of acid waiting for a bus for two hours:))) but it all blended in nicely with the twisted night we had before;) Nice location, nice deco, good music....looking forward to more of those PsYcHÔdElic LonDoN TrIpS |
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