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UIU
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Posted : May 3, 2004 13:08
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I am looking for the classic astrix bass.
OK. I know this subject has been discussed before, but when I searched I found no sound advice. All of the advice was "cut a bit at that frequency and increase a bit at that frequency". How much is a bit? Or in compression "fast attack". How fast?
So it would be a nice thread if some people shared their secrets.
I know you will say it must fit the song and it must sound well with the kick, bla, bla, bla.
So, what I am asking is: On one of your songs you think it sounds good, what exact settings did you use?
It would be great if you had the waves plug ins and you wrote down specific instructions with numbers, like:
Vb-1
Shape:
Damper:
(Where that blue thing goes)
(Where that other black thing underneath goes)
(or preset name, or even better picture)
Waves Q4 Paragraphic Eq.
1. Gain:...., Freq:....., Q:....., Type:......
2. Gain:...., Freq:....., Q:....., Type:......
etc.
Waves C1 Compressor
Thresshlod:
Ratio:
Attack:
Release:
If some of you feel like I am trying to take advantage of your hard work, YES I AM!!
But I've tried everything, compression,eq,maxbass,distortion,damaged my ears in the process, so please HEEEELP! I am in the verge of a nervous breakdown!
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO HELP PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE. THANKS.
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Input
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Posted : May 3, 2004 14:55
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Hey UIU,
I know it will sound 2u like bla bla bla but this issue depends on so many things.
1st, Your monitors
2nd, your note sequence- every 1/8th - 16th- what notes are played
3rd Your earing abilities/skills but let's say all fine so i will try to help.
It's hard to explain the settings for the VB so send your email and i will send you some preset or wait till evening so i'll be at home and see the names inside VB so it will be easier to explain. anyway this is the easiest part of making this fullon bass.
OK,
Assuming your VB settings is ok, Open EQ on the vb channel- let's take Waves Q10 to makes it easier(even though 10bands are not required, this is easier to explain).
Cut the Low frequency at about 30hz (be carfull with cutting too much from the low- it might sound nice at home but it might lack some bass outside your studio)
find and boost in about 3db at 90-150hz
find and cut in about 5-6db at 650-750z(find the wanted sound in both bands- the range is correct, you might want to adjust it in few precent to match your wanted sound)
cut the high frequencies in 1000-1500hz (it's the easiest one just see where is the best sounding 4u)
So if you did it all right you should have now good eq'd bassline which is now ready for compression.
Let's take the Waves Rcomp for the example and follow the settings:
1st basics-
RATIO-
We often just want the loudest notes tamed, not broken. This is where compressors come in and with them a RATIO control. All the RATIO control does is set how quiet we want the loudest stuff. If RATIO is set to 1:1, then nothing really happens. Might as well hit BYPASS. At the other extreme, let’s say a ratio of 20:1, then we are probably limiting rather than compressing. In fact the sound would have to get 20dB over the threshold before the compressor lets even 1dB more out. That’s what the 20:1 means. If the THRESHOLD is set to 2:1, then it only requires the sound to get 2dB hotter to let 1dB more out. 2:1 is a basic easy compressor setting. It tames the dynamics without killing them and allows you to turn up the general level with the output GAIN. Turning the RATIO control from 1:1 and up is like dialing in the amount of reduction - much like setting a more sensitive THRESHOLD. Except not quite – the THRESHOLD determines where to start compressing, or how loud the input has to be before anything can happen. The RATIO controls how much to pull down. Both have a dramatic effect on the amount of compression and how audible the effect will be. Every control except the Db GAIN seems to influence the compression depth and amount of dB’s showing on the meters.
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ATTACK and RELEASE are often the least understood controls. While these affect the depth of compression, adjust them 1st and then use the THRESHOLD and RATIO to compensate(for learning purposes)
ATTACK -
The ATTACK sets how fast or slow to react to every sound over the threshold level - in short when to start the compression.
RELEASE-
The RELEASE sets how fast the level rises AFTER it was pulled down by the compressor. The next quiet sound should rise like a mini-crescendo. How fast or slow it rises depends on the RELEASE. Let’s say both the ATTACK and RELEASE are set fast. A drum triggers compression, i.e. the volume comes down, reduces the drum and then brings the volume back up before the next note. It may be louder but we lost too many dynamics and it doesn’t sound right. If the RELEASE is set slow, after the volume is pulled down - it tends to stay down and stay level. After that first hit the mix tends to be stable. As a quiet section is entered, less compression will take place and the sound gets gradually louder. The bad news with a long release is that you can't seem to obtain as hot a signal as you hope. The optimum release depends on music style and personal taste.
I know it was long but it's necessary to understand the compression basics in order to change them while you know and feel what you're doing and not like a robot.
back to VB
Attack can be used to fine tune the "pick" or first part of the note try about 100 and fine tune it.
Release: typically set moderate – fast enough to be ready for a quiet note, but not too fast. If the release is too fast, then it can boost the "between" notes noise. Watch out for making the bass just a "low drone" with no space between notes and no decay to the notes
try around 150 and fine tune it
Ratio: try 4:1 or 10:1
Threshold: try around 10-20db or any other settings sounds good 4u or adjust the attack and release 1st and then use the THRESHOLD and RATIO to compensate
so again if you did it all right you should have a good sounding bassline.
Good luck and please report results or misunderstandings
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : May 3, 2004 15:08
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Nice, thanks Input!
It's interesting to see how other people approach bass.  |
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CLAW
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Posted : May 3, 2004 19:53
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UIU
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Posted : May 3, 2004 21:59
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THANKS,THANKS,THANKS,THANKS!! I'll try it now. I more wanted to use this as a starting point. I am sure this is what many other people were looking as well. |
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motorik
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Posted : May 3, 2004 22:09
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On 2004-05-03 13:08, UIU wrote:
I am looking for the classic astrix bass.
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Hey UIU ,,,now after Input gave you the big kick start make sure you look and find the classic UIU bass and not the astrix one 
salute
motorik
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Input
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Posted : May 3, 2004 23:23
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Motorik, Right words.
UIU, The above settings was specifically for VB but after tweaking and playing with it i suggest you to find more bass generators and explore new basslines-
Remember, as long as your kick and bass link is good and you are filling the right frequency range in the spectrum- you have a good sounding kick/bass which means you can be creative as much as you want, try fat kicks with thiny basses or fat dark bass with bright kick- share the frequencies between the two as much as your imagination can-
There's so many options and possibilities,
Peace,
Space is the place
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