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San Prahjekt
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Posted : Apr 24, 2005 22:55
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Question: Does the V-station for powercore sound better or any different then the V-station VSTI that does NOT use powercore?
Hesitant to buy it in case it doesnt sound beter the the VSTI version i already have.
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UnderTow
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Posted : Apr 24, 2005 22:59
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It will probably sound exactly the same. It will just save you some CPU cycles. Freeze seems like a cheaper option. 
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Apr 24, 2005 23:58
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On 2005-04-24 22:59, UnderTow wrote:
It will probably sound exactly the same. It will just save you some CPU cycles. Freeze seems like a cheaper option.
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i dont think so ... dedicated dsp platforms always better sounding than any vsti / vst ! |
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cgranber
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Posted : Apr 25, 2005 00:29
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On 2005-04-24 22:55, San Prahjekt wrote:
Question: Does the V-station for powercore sound better or any different then the V-station VSTI that does NOT use powercore?
Hesitant to buy it in case it doesnt sound beter the the VSTI version i already have.
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keep your native version. only difference between those two is a multimode filter and a "randomize" function (added to the poco). there are also some issues with the load/save and export/import architecture which has not been solved YET, to my knowledge... and it takes up one DSP for 8 voices and only 1 part. in other words, NOT worth it. |
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UnderTow
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Posted : Apr 25, 2005 03:58
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On 2005-04-24 23:58, WAVELOGIX wrote:
i dont think so ... dedicated dsp platforms always better sounding than any vsti / vst !
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This isn't always true. If the same mathematical algorithms are used, they will sound exactly the same. DSP chips don't make things sound better automaticly. After all, it is still Digital Signal Processing wether it runs on a dedicated DSP chip or on the native CPU of your computer.
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San Prahjekt
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Posted : Apr 25, 2005 10:54
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The Virus Powercore sounds wicked.
If it is true the DSP's dont make it sound better because it is only algorythms; then it is potentially possible to make a VSTI version of the virus that sounds just as good.... . the virus powercore sounds better than any VSTI i have ever heard.
This is why i was asking if the v station sound better for powercore..... i suspect it might, but still not sure, they dont have a demo version..... |
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Apr 25, 2005 11:31
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I think the people at TC Electronic would tell us if this thing sounds better then the version that doesn't use the powercore. I mean: the would SCREAM it at you. I think it's just an easy port of an existing vsti to make up for the lack of synths that exist for the powercore when compared with the scope platform. |
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San Prahjekt
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Posted : Apr 25, 2005 11:33
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Hey Daan, Alles goed  .... |
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Apr 25, 2005 12:24
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Jah mon ! I'm enjoying my Virus|Powercore |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Apr 25, 2005 15:02
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I haven't used the V-station on powercore.
I'm not so keen on novation synths when i was using the hardware versions so the virtual ones don't make me very excited.
But as a scope user I must say that there is for sure a difference in general between DSP and native plugins.
For example I have the sonic timeworks plugins both as DX and scope plugins and there is for sure a big difference between those.
There is no VSTi I have tried that produce as fat and dense sound as my scope synths.
The mixer in scope sounds better than the mixer in logic.
My guess why there is such a difference is that the scope plugins use a higher resolution in the calculations since the dedicated DSP chips allow power enough to allow for that.
It can also be sometimes that companies don't release top algorithms as VSTs.
TC for example say that their VST algorithms is lesser quality than what you get in their hardware or in the powercore.
So although it's theoretically possible that a powercore plugin is the same as a VST and vice versa, practically it seems like that many times is not the case.
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San Prahjekt
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Posted : Apr 26, 2005 11:10
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Yes, that makes a lot of sense. Having said that i am still hesistant to spend 300 euros on the v station for powercore.... for me to buy it it must sound much much better than the vsti version that i have which is mediocre... and there are other powercore plugins i also want to buy like the x5, or the new systems 6000 reverb... |
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Bikini Blitz
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Posted : Apr 27, 2005 15:08
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Hello ;
For the same amount of money you can get the hardware version of the synth...i mean real knobs, buttons, tactile stuff...
As for the sound...
I don´t want to say anything wrong about it, but we´ve one A-station ( rack version of the K-Station ) plus the V-Station soft that came with the Remote and we use none...
I admit that we´ve not explored it that much...but the presets they just don´t inspire us, they sound really good but...
...my 5 cents.
As for the other plugs you want to buy from TC...Get to know the bundled ones first... |
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fregle
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Posted : Apr 27, 2005 17:46
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spindrift: the scope platformallows for more complex algorithms... For the scientists this is the big problem... They want to make a virtual synth that sounds klike the mutts nuts but they have to keep the algorithms relatively simple not to fry cpu-power... With powercore and such they don't have to consider that as much (but they still consider it... There is still a big difference between what is possible and what is already done). So the technology exists to make exact physical models of any piece of kit (it's technology that doesn't come from the music industry, the music industry just uses it, it exists since the seventies, and is very exact, but if u want to use it to the limit ur computer would need a lot of time just to make the calculation that results in a sound), but the engineers who build our software still have to decide what to model and what they're gonna do simply with a variable or a random number or a simplified algorithm instead of a model, just to save cpu-power... That's why dsp-stuff sounds better, the engineers dare to go farther...
Now, in case of the V-station... Unless they completely rewrote the algorithms (which is sincerely doubt), it will sound exactly the same... No matter what platform plays it... In the end, when it's digital, everything is math... And if the math stays the same, the sound stays the same, simple as that... |
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slyman604
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Posted : Apr 27, 2005 18:06
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the biggest difference i think with the powercore/scope/dsp vs native is that the developers know how much horsepower they have to work with regardless of the user. The native developers have to make a trade off between sound quality and what the lowest native cpu is they are going to support.
The clavia modular demo makes this pretty clear, it sounds no different than the dsp version but most patches use 50% of my 2.8ghz p4.
on a side note i would wait to buy anything right now until reaktor 5 is released, its going to be sick. |
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fregle
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Posted : Apr 27, 2005 18:55
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u are very correct slyman... it's like in the games scene... The producers there get more out of the consoles then they could ever get out of a pc with the same potential, just because they know what's under the hood... |
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