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Using vsti for goa trance...
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Unrealize
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Posted : Dec 13, 2003 02:07
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Hey folks.
I'm very new to goa music, and trance in general. I'm basically a metal dude, but I would very much like to know those goa trance synths are done. Those 'running' type sounds, I don't really know the proper terminology to explain properly what I mean, but I hope you get the idea.
I'm not very familiar with midi, except for very simple string type things, with no modulation and so on.
So, I'm wondering, is there somewhere I can find some midi examples out there, or some kind of tutorial for those synths. I'm not on to ripping anyone here, just to get basic knowledge on how it is done. When I listen to goa, I can really find out what is actual midinotes, and what is just delays and effects, so I can't get the hang of how it is actually programmed, or recorded.
I think it would be a cool idea to make some kind of mix between metal and goa/trance type music, and I would greatly appreciate some input on this, as I'm living in a place where I don't know anyone who knows how to do this, and it is hard to learn just from my own head...  )
Thanx...
  -=sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc=- |
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Anak
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Posted : Dec 13, 2003 02:20
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solipt1c
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Posted : Dec 13, 2003 02:31
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Right
basically these running style goa synth sounds come from anything analog or virtual analog. my favourite examples are the novation v-station (for liquid sounds), the synth1 (for more tearing 303 style leads , or thinner sounds - and its free), and the z3ta (for stranger more digital noises, thanks to the waveshaping). also worth a look might be the exciton, the pro53, the moog , etc
next step is to program a suitable sound. basic 303-ISH sounds arent hard to produce on any simple analog style synth (altho ppl will argue about the fine details forever), and most will have presets that get you somewhere close.
the most important thing to remember here is your FILTER... it ideally needs to sound really good over quite a wide range, not be pinned to a 'sweet spot'. you will need to modulate the filter (more on this later)
next programming the actual notes... i could write a massive post purely on this ... so i'll try not to... basially this is arpeggiation, which is taking what *amounts* to playing a series of simple chords, and making it sound more complex, by cycling through each of the notes of the chord in fast succession (usually 16ths). For example a C minor chord held for one bar becomes
C Eb G C Eb G C Eb G C Eb G C Eb G C
as you become more advanced you can arpeggiate more advanced chords and suspensions, add passing notes, create linear melodies and soon... like...
C Eb G C D Eb C G Ab G C2 G D Eb D G
(just pulled that out of my head, no idea how it sounds)
thats if you want to do it by hand. i prefer to for maximum control of melody and harmony. to really get good at arpeggiation just learn some bach harpischord studies.
fortunately you dont have to, many synths have arpeggiators with various different modes (up, down, trigger, random, pattern sequence, etc). especially hardware ones.
finally the processing... as you suggest this is very important, an awful lot of what you hear is just delays. the real trick imho is to write riffs which are much simpler than they appear tothe listener. play 5 notes in one riff, and 2 in another interacting in a certain way, and with the right delay you have an amazing running sound which seems to consist of about 20 notes. if u try and program all 20 notes it never sounds as good. this is best achievd through (a) filter modulation, to pick out different harmonics in the synth (such that a single repeated note takes on different shades each time it is played by the synth) - either record (automate) filter movements or set up an LFO or something to modulate it, and (b) filter delay, so that each note takes on a different shade with each delay tap.
if you're good enough you canmake a single note riff (C C C C2 C C C C C C2 C C C C C2) sound amazing.
oh, and a bit of reverb on there too obviously... anyway... hope some of this helped. feel free to check out some of my tracks at this site http://www.ampcast.com/music/17539/artist.php if you want to hear what i'm talking about
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jon
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Posted : Dec 13, 2003 04:44
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yeah the metal/trance thing has been thought of already.
On the other hand we had skazi here in london the other day, and the guitar thing appears to be working very well : not my cup of chai, but skazi went down a treat with the crowd....
As for writing trance.... midi samples is not really possible cos it is all about the timbre of the sounds. Most psychedelic tunes sound a bit dodgy in General MIDI. Listen to lots - and by lots I mean one hell of a lot - of CDs
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Unrealize
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Posted : Dec 13, 2003 15:12
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Thanx a lot from a very well written post solipt1c. I'm gonna try to experiment a little with it, and see what I can come up with.. ) |
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