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Using the Calculator for EQ ??
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Nov 27, 2004 14:51
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hello guys ,
i need some help here as always hehe , and i know all you nice people will once again show me the light 
ok , now i think im pretty decent when it comes to eq , but some how i feel i dont get the perfect eq i want ... for example .. havent u ever heard a sound in a trk and said " oh it just couldnt have sounded better !! " . so thts wat im looking out for when i talk abt equing my stuff .. be it leads , bass or the percussions ...
now the method i use is the standard protocol ... when i want to boost some frq , i make the bell very thin using the "q" setting , give some 10-15 db boost and then sweep until i find the more or less frq im looking out for , then reduce the gain ahd slowly adjust the "q" also ... similarly , when i want to cut some freqs out ... which i do more often than i boost , i simply make a cut , cut full 18-24 db abd then sweep , hearing for where the signal sounds cleanest and then slowly raise the cut to something like -5 to -7 db ...
btw , i never use more than 3-4 band eq on any trk , so im not tht very dependent on eq to make my things sound right ... but i just want to learn how to fuckin eq properly ...
so , then other day i read some post , cant remember .. which said abt some freq chart for each note and how it was useful for eq ..
so i wanna know how can one use the calculator the find the correct freq in the signal to be fucked up with ?? is it even possible ?? or i just need to keep practising until my ears get good enuff to tell the right freq ...
and btw . when we are equing , we eq so as to change the "timbre " of the sound .. thts wat i think ... then y would one want the freqs of individual notes ???
for example ,, if my track in the the key of D , y would i want to accordinly mess with freqs related harmonically to the freq of D ?? that may not necessarily be the freq required to get the exact "timbre" im looking out for ...
so ppl , pls enlighten me ... maybe im missing sumthing here ??
respect and love to all ...
chandan !
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Nov 27, 2004 16:33
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UnderTow
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Posted : Nov 27, 2004 16:41
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I never calculate frequencies. I agree with Colin that trying that seems like going down a path of pain and frustration. If you really want to try this, you can use the free Frequency converter tool from AnalogX. You can find it here:
http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/audio/freq.htm
Also, when you want to cut sounds with EQ, it is much easier to first boost the EQ and find the annoying frequency by sweeping and then lowering the gain to cut that frequency. Our ears are much more sensitive to boosted sounds than cut sounds.
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Nov 27, 2004 20:14
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On 2004-11-27 16:33, Colin OOOD wrote:
Some people may get off on that but personally I reckon it's irrelevant and opens up a whole world of pain. Can you imagine trying to individually EQ every harmonic of a square wave? How about a noise sweep? Brrrr....
Much better to get your sounds right in the first place and use EQ to get rid of nasty resonances, top & tail, and generally just make the sound fit in the track.
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This is exactly what i do ... but was just curious to know if i was missing on some knowledge 
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Nov 27, 2004 20:17
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On 2004-11-27 16:41, UnderTow wrote:
Also, when you want to cut sounds with EQ, it is much easier to first boost the EQ and find the annoying frequency by sweeping and then lowering the gain to cut that frequency. Our ears are much more sensitive to boosted sounds than cut sounds.
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well ill definately try this out !
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Nov 28, 2004 08:41
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thanks undertow , ur method really helped me a lot and now i can reallly define each instrument in the mix ... thanks a lot once again !
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Kitnam
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Posted : Nov 28, 2004 09:36
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its all in your ears!
if you boost freq use a big bells, if you cut use thin ones.
and if you boost something, its often nice to boost another "assisting-frequency", too.
example...
classic 303: body at 800Hz, impact at 2Khz and brilliance at 8Khz
(just a blind example, dont have a 303 yet)
this seems overloaded at first but reducing the level with such filtering will set the boosted frequences free. and: dont use more than 5-10db for boosting (only if realy neccessary), otherwise you will distort the natural sound of an element too much. |
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Nov 28, 2004 09:49
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well mantik , that was a nice point ... although i remeber reading the same thing in some mixing mag. some time ago ... well i only like to cut when im equing ... coz it helps clean the sound ...i will rarely boost ... in the last trk i gave boost only on 2 bands in the full trk ! |
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 28, 2004 13:14
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i think if u wanna get perfect eq that how i do it...
open the sound u wanna eq in spectral analyzer.
c what its main freq and what are the secondary freq's.
now u try to boost the secondary freq. most times will give "sharpness".
sometimes its better +1 db in 2 freq's other then +5 in onr freq.
baisicly - eq can distort your tune.. since u understand each note has differnt freq, and also depend on the sound u use the filters and all...
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Nov 28, 2004 14:37
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I never use a calculator to eq as well. Only sometimes with the main freq. of the bass and the main freq of the kick. With those it's somtimes easier to put an eq on exactly those main freqs and balance them out a bit. Anyway, it's easier to do it with the narrow-q-boost-needle-sweep technique you just described. It's always better to trust your ears. |
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Mike A
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Posted : Nov 28, 2004 16:11
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UnderTow - I was looking for this tool for ages!
I had it once but then it just disappeared...
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orik
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Posted : Nov 28, 2004 16:19
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i didnt realy understand what his analogx plug does...can you explain? |
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Mike A
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Posted : Nov 28, 2004 16:58
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Converts musical notes to frequencies, and vice versa.
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orik
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Posted : Nov 28, 2004 18:10
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haaasooo.... |
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AvS
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Posted : Nov 28, 2004 21:27
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Just use this to see the freqs of notes: http://www.indiana.edu/~emusic/hertz.htm
I use this sometimes but not very often to find the right frequencies to cut or boost but normally I just use my ears. |
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