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Using petrolium to generate power for Trance festivals
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vector_0
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Posted : Jul 26, 2008 05:15:57
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Hey, I love a good psychedelic trance festival as much as the next guy, but I can't help but think about the carbon footprint we stamp into the Earth in the name of hedonism. Not only are we pouring gasoline into generators all night to keep an absurdly powerful sound system running, we are also driving cars great distances (at least here in north america) to attend these gas guzzing fests.
I know, I know, I don't want to think about it either; I'd love to just dance and trip and have fun, but there are very serious things happening to our world. The Hopi elders believe that one must always act with consideration for the next seven generations...most trancers (including myself) only act with consideration for the next 5 minutes, lol.
If we continue on this path our legacy will simply be that of any other music scene. Though perhaps if we took a more meaningful and eco-centric approach, we'd end up as not just another music scene, but a movement! If we focused on ecologically sound means of generating power for our wild drug fueled orgies of shamanic ecstasy, perhaps we'd be more welcome in places where trance festivals are currently NOT welcome. And maybe people who were in attendance would learn more about alternative energy sources at workshops and then spread that information to all their square friends back home. And maybe....just possibly...our scene would flourish, and bind us all closer together. I love having this global network at my fingertips, and I don't want it to die off; I don't know about you guys, but i feel like we're in the peak (this is where all the old goa dudes can inform me that it peaked quite a while ago).
How do we want to reassemble ourselves as the trip begins to wane?
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Jul 26, 2008 13:16
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oh god another one of these eco-fad threads...whats with the world and trying to save it...this eco-mania has driven people crazy...everyone wants earn. their 15 minutes of fame with environment...is the easiest way to do it.
i am not against saving the environment i am against the celebrity syndrome associated with it. if you really want to save the environment sleep longer as by sleeping longer u r using less resources...the only resource u r using is ur heating and cooling, yes thats a bitch but at least you are not watching tv, reading, driving a car, shopping unnecessary stuff, listening to loud music, recharging ur ipod, using ur computer...if you sleep longer you are actually saving the environment and having a good time...incase u cannot sleep take a sleeping pill, take two if u still cant...oh hell if nothing works take a whole bottle and die...save the environment kill yourself 
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 26, 2008 17:51
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Got any other ideas Vector on how to power a trance festival?
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Ellon
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Posted : Jul 26, 2008 18:32
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vector_0
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Posted : Jul 26, 2008 18:57
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On 2008-07-26 13:16, doughcherry wrote:
incase u cannot sleep take a sleeping pill, take two if u still cant...oh hell if nothing works take a whole bottle and die...save the environment kill yourself
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whoa, whoa, chill out there tough guy. I just woke up from a 12 hour sleep and i still think that chugging gallon after gallon of gasoline in the woods is a bit selfish. i'm not shooting for 15 minutes of fame, just a responsible scene. This "eco fad" is about the fate of our species. seven generations, remember?
@ Detox, yes of course, I have a bunch of ideas: windmills, stirling engines, (bikes actually do sound like a good idea), dance floor power generation http://www.hackaday.com/2008/06/20/dance-floor-power-generation/
Though I think the whole trance scene would require a "reset button" regarding what a festival is all about. I think at first, fests would have to be smaller scaled until we collected the resources to throw a massive self-sustained festival. Less focus on 50,000 watts of killargh sound, more focus on the future.
Everything in the world is about energy, right down to the little subatomic strings. I find it quite interesting that in this time that all the ancient prophecies have spoken of, our greatest crisis is how we are getting our energy
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phiber_optixz
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Posted : Jul 26, 2008 19:16
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Use your iPOD and listen to music at your home/office etc... dont go to parties... you can't take windmills to dig in there n generate energy to power sound systems... that's not a viable option and no organiser in the world would do that, IMHO.
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vector_0
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Posted : Jul 26, 2008 19:24
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On 2008-07-26 19:16, phiber_optixz wrote:
you can't take windmills to dig in there n generate energy to power sound systems... that's not a viable option and no organiser in the world would do that, IMHO.
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I dont know man, there's a lot of smart people in this scene. i feel like someone somewhere would be able to come up with a means for portable clean energy. crazier things have happened
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mukti777
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Posted : Jul 26, 2008 19:30
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though it's not a perfect solution, I have been to a number of festivals where the genie was running on bio-diesal....though this is very expensive, i've heard tell of bio companies donating fuel to simply bring awareness to their cause. I think Boom fest is really trying to utilize many eco-friendly power options, and is attempting to set a new precident, though i've never been, so it's only in what I read about what they are doing....
Solar panels feeding cells for nightime use seems very reasonable to me, as well.
Car pool! "Any act, if in accordance with the Will, is an act of Magick."
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Posted : Jul 26, 2008 21:20
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On 2008-07-26 17:51, DETOX wrote:
Got any other ideas Vector on how to power a trance festival?
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The generators would be connected to bicycles and everyone would have to pedal for a couple of hours
Get thin helping your local party...
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That would be great !! An open air spinning session !!! Let me see you pedal at 145 BPMs come on people !!!! |
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Dogon
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Posted : Jul 26, 2008 21:54
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oh & i missing Psytracked & uiop & aker... lol
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 27, 2008 00:56
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Vector do you have any SERIOUS recommendations because the ones you mentioned here are all a joke (just like the topic itself but on purpose i am trying to stay serious in order to show that its easy to complain about something but its very difficult to provide a solution).
The Dancefloor Power Generator you mentioned needs 500 people to dance up and down (which means it cant be used on the chill out floor) just to give some energy to 3-4 bulbs of light.In order to power just the soundsystem on a trance festival you would need something like 100000 people dancing like mad all the time and ofcourse this would have to take place in an indoor place and not an outdoor nature party because the surface there couldnt be replaced by the special surface needed to absorb the power from the dancers.
The windmills idea is also a joke because it would cost to the organiser more money to set up any windmill,solar system,water system facility to power his festival than the festival itself.
Stirling Engines are also very very experimental devices and are used from big companies in very very small things like computer microchips so it is yet a dream to use such devices on big appliances.
In a few words you complain about something but you have no alternative choices to provide.
Lets start being more ecologic in our personal life with smaller stuff like recycling paper,baterries,aluminium,glass and other staff and then we can deal with bigger and more important things.
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vector_0
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Posted : Jul 27, 2008 02:08
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please don't think i'm trying to be negative, rather i'm trying to be proactive, i just don't know where to start. You ask me for solutions like I have all the answers, but all i have is my own observations. and yes i tried to throw a little humor into my original post, though the idea is one of the most serious ones i've had in a while.
I'm just prodding this community a little bit to see if there's any support for the idea; or better ideas for making an environmentally sound festival. i just said windmills, dance floor generator, stirling engines, etc. because they were the first things to pop into my head, but i figure there are a lot of smart trancers out there who might come up with some amazing idea for powering a festival. Someone said that "no promoter would ever do this" but so many of them gloat about being earth-friendly and whatnot, but completely disregard their continued use of petrolium. i think if there was an option available to renewable energy, some (psychedelic) promoters would be all about it
sorry if you guys don't like this idea; maybe i should be talking to burning man people instead? they seem to be all about building neat stuff and inventing novel new things... I guess I thought this would strike a chord with trancers...maybe i was wrong? http://soundcloud.com/rob-vector |
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Posted : Jul 27, 2008 03:01
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Pls, behave! 
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sure_smoke_alot
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Posted : Jul 27, 2008 08:17
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On 2008-07-26 19:16, phiber_optixz wrote:
you can't take windmills to dig in there n generate energy to power sound systems... that's not a viable option and no organiser in the world would do that, IMHO.
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even if u erect an windmill u need 'ENOGH WIND' to power ur systems & not all places in the world have enough to start the rotar
well the problem with alternative energy & carbon fuels is we dont still have an viable option (other then cutting & minimizing the use of it)
as detox says lets start by doing small things in our daily lives & u'll help mother nature in many ways 
 doughcherry
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phiber_optixz
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Posted : Jul 27, 2008 12:56
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On 2008-07-26 19:16, phiber_optixz wrote:
you can't take windmills to dig in there n generate energy to power sound systems... that's not a viable option and no organiser in the world would do that, IMHO.
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even if u erect an windmill u need 'ENOGH WIND' to power ur systems & not all places in the world have enough to start the rotar
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I know that and I think every literate person here knows that you need wind to make windmills work!
That's called "roter". |
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