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Using limiters in main channel?
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daark
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Posted : Aug 23, 2011 17:56
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you missed my point.
ok nirvana and beatles used a limiter and i use a limiter does it make my music super great and timeless because i use a limiter?
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| nothing special with using or not using a limiter anywhere,
it is just another tool that was created to help mixing tunes. |
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Let me ask another question when do you use a limiter and what for?
Anyways i think less is more.
And how many times you read to keep the master channel clean ?  http://soundcloud.com/magimix-1/chilling-forest-whispers
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Vermeee
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Posted : Aug 23, 2011 18:54
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panike
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Posted : Aug 23, 2011 21:06
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On 2011-08-23 18:54, Vermeee wrote:
no limiters in the master channel but a sublte compresor s nice 
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why? 
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makus
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Posted : Aug 23, 2011 21:30
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On 2011-08-23 17:56, daark wrote:
you missed my point.
ok nirvana and beatles used a limiter and i use a limiter does it make my music super great and timeless because i use a limiter? |
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i don't see a connection there, man.
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| nothing special with using or not using a limiter anywhere,
it is just another tool that was created to help mixing tunes. |
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Let me ask another question when do you use a limiter and what for?
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i put limiter exactly into master channel when mastering 
also sometimes, i do use limiter on individual channels, if i think sound / mix can benefit from that.
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Anyways i think less is more.
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I dont wanna argue, but i don't really agree actually. I can use tones of processing if needed.
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And how many times you read to keep the master channel clean ?
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sorry i dont get the question.
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Vermeee
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Posted : Aug 23, 2011 22:15
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On 2011-08-23 21:06, panike wrote:
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On 2011-08-23 18:54, Vermeee wrote:
no limiters in the master channel but a sublte compresor s nice
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why?
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you can make a transparent pumpin effect that u can feel but u cant hear.. its a nice feeling in the dancefloor
but its not adviced to try such thing if u are begginin or even if u dont have at least basic studio setup... coz its realy cirugical effect....
so its not about givin quality to the mix but just a
creative tool...
and for dark trance or high bpm music its a little harder to do this.. but for full on and prog it fits well...
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daark
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Posted : Aug 24, 2011 18:19
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makus you just don't agree
1) the limiter does not make you sound great, but has its too main functions, eliminating peaks and reduce the dynamics and raise volume(the basic limiter)
2)you can use it to make crazy overdriven granular wobble bass from a recording of budhist monks through fm or whatever but would you use it the same on the master ?
3) make you mix sound better than any mastered track leave master channel clean and send to only super mega qulified mastering engies that make super awsome quallity stuff with decades of experience in the field.
........or just improvize, whatever, i don't care what you do lol
actulay makus to come and say i use limiter when mastering to guys really don't know why hes kick jumping is really bad advice.
i really love your overdream music but not beacause you have great mastering and high edge quality sound its because you have great energy and flow in the music. it may sound as an insult but you should take it as complement because "sound" does not make good music  hope you take no offence...
All the best
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Freeflow
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Posted : Aug 25, 2011 00:52
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I am not sure if its a psychoacoustical phenomenon but sometimes resonant leads or other resonant sounds can interfere with your kick and either masking or clashing, making it sound like the kick for example is disappearing a bit and when the resonant peak is over the masking or the clashing disappears. This can make it appear as the sound of the kick is going up or down in volume, depending on if the frequency is masked or if its clashed, the later being reinforced and sometimes can lead to distortion or just a bad sound.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditory_masking#Mechanisms_of_masking
Also speakers that have more power can be more forgiving on high resonance and have more power to drive the heavy sounds, So it will still sound bad on poor speakers, you want to find a balance so it sounds good on most speakers, so mixing on bad speakers in not always a bad thing, infact a lot of good technicians try there mixes on bad speakers. Of course not bad constructed speakers, just poor powerd and also laptop speakers, which by the way gets better and better. So it will get more forgiving, but having a polished sound is always nice, cause it sounds great when being played loud.
Btw i liked the track, good work
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PoM
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Posted : Aug 26, 2011 15:41
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i would not recomend this for beginers but you can use limiter pre/post compression for more dynamic shaping.
jut some simple examples: Pre compression to smooth high peaks so the comp don t react to these.(more transparent)
post compression to tame the peaks when using slower attack on compressor (or even fast one)...
offcourse it s not a must but it can give you a bit more control on the sound when NECESSARY
it depends what you limit and what goal you want to archieve but for safe value as long as you don t limit more than 0.5/1 db on the highes peak it s should be quiet transparent but already compromise the punch a little on transient heavy stuff , for drums and transient heavy stuff cliping can sound better if you want to tame peaks, it can make the transient heavyer but the highs harsher not recomended on all sounds, but sometimes it s nice. |
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panike
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Posted : Aug 26, 2011 16:13
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free flow and pom,thanks for your advices, and I will in fact buy another speakers because recently the left one stoped working.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Aug 26, 2011 19:23
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for mastering and definetly as a production tool, sometimes I got an automation going on and in there is maybe the highest peak way to high.. but the sound is to my liking ,and I don't wanna change the paramters value ,than I use limiter.
And soon I will use limiter on my master all the time, to protect my cpu. U see if the limiter is working how much gain reduction is going on, than press space and solve the problem untill the limiter is sleeping again.
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