panike
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 16:01:37
Should i use them or not?
I've finished my new sound and sometimes i listen my kick going up and down in volume... Do you think it's the limiter or the various frequencies mixing up?
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 16:15
Short answer; no.
The best idea would be to figure out what is happening in your mix to cause that. First thing to check is the kick, run it solo and see if its doing it alone, then bring up your otehr channels oen by one til it starts happening, whatever you load last is likely causing the problem, try just those 2 channels and mess around with them til the problem goes away or you replace one of the instruments.
Limiters are something that goes on the end of a mastering chain, mostly to make sure that anything that peaks too high is eliminated before it causes unplleasant sound or gear damage, tehy could work for that purpose but thats not really what they are meant for.
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panike
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 16:19
You see,the main problem is that in cubase everything is fine,but when i listen in my speakers some parts sound like shit. Even in my mp4 everything sounds fine!
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 16:24
Well in that case it might be the gear, but I guess theres no reason not to try a limiter just to see if it works, if it does, though, I dont know what could be doing it.... What sort of speakers? If studio monitors are doing that its not a good thing...
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panike
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 16:26
my old speakers... i dont have money right now for studio monitors.
I guess it's the speakers problem then... Anyone here can help me and listen to my sound with a decent speaker system?
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 19:14
Dude,do what mudpeople said,he knows them stuff.
For guys like us with no money and shit equipment,well,you have to rely more on technical tools then your ears.
Just do what mudpeople said,do your mixdown with soloing the kick and checking the db of it across the track.
If it is allrighty then,on spectral analyzer see what frequencies the kick governs (usually kick is a fast sweep,so the transient of the kick is the click,that is what you want to hear,I presume?Look what freqs the click takes).
Then check what other thing plays in the same frequency domain,during the time you think your kick is shit.
I usually in those cases put graphic equalizer on master,solo kick,then adding one by one other midi tracks and see where the freqiencies start to mix and cancel and all that.
Again-noobs advice.Also-once upon a time no one knew what limiter is,and yet the music was still great...
From all the things I lost,that sandwitch cost me most :)
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On 2011-08-22 19:20, panike wrote:
yeah i've already done what mudpeople told me,therefore my conclusion is that my speakers suck and i need to buy better ones.
+1
That is definitely your problem but remember: if you got poor acoustics in your studio you will still have similar problems
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panike
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 21:34
Yeah I know minddoctor,but right now I dont want to spend lots of money in equipment because i'm still learning and i think a pair of good speakers right now can do the job
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 21:34
I have some food for thought :
how is that old crappy recordings bethoven, beatles, pink floyd, nirvana, old goa, or whatever you listen to, sounds amazing and divine ? How does that happen ?
do we need a limiter to make anything?
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 23:35
nothing special with using or not using a limiter anywhere, if you are able, in respect of trained ears and good acoustics, to HEAR what you do.
it is just another tool that was created to help mixing tunes. www.overdreamstudio.com
panike
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 23:58
I agree with that.
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Posted : Aug 23, 2011 00:19
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On 2011-08-22 21:34, daark wrote:
I have some food for thought :
how is that old crappy recordings bethoven, beatles, pink floyd, nirvana, old goa, or whatever you listen to, sounds amazing and divine ? How does that happen ?
do we need a limiter to make anything?
makus
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On 2011-08-22 21:34, daark wrote:
I have some food for thought :
how is that old crappy recordings bethoven, beatles, pink floyd, nirvana, old goa, or whatever you listen to, sounds amazing and divine ? How does that happen ?
do we need a limiter to make anything?
Now tell me. Do you want a limiter and which one?
Please don't put everything into the same pot.
Beethoven and other classical music sounds the way it sounds because the orchestra is playing in the specially built space (theater / cathedral / whatever), with specially composed arrangement and, which is very important, with the instruments which are perfectly matched to sound transparent together. if you look deeper into it you will get it yourself - check what instruments are there and how do they correspond with each other, in respect of frequency. dynamics is pure human touch there, and the perfect dynamics for any concerto is being developed through the endless rehearsals.
everything else you mentioned are actually bands with lots of dynamic tools and processing applied in their recordings. basically the guys like Beatles gave impact in developing various studio devices and recording technologies. check this out http://www.tgmixers.co.uk/Frames/frameset.html
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The TG12413 plugin is an authentic emulation of the compressor / limiter from the legendary EMI TG12345 mixing console, which was used on many classic recordings such as The Beatles’ Abbey Road and Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon. The TG12345 consoles were custom-built for EMI's studios and were never sold commercially.
Not sure guys who built the original EMI mixing desk back in 1967 were that stupid to put compressor and limiter on every mic channel.
that's just one example. also you may check ssl, neve and api history and i think you'll get lots of usefull info outta there.
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What sort of speakers? If studio monitors are doing that its not a good thing...
