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Using Buses to improve your quallity of sound
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Albertos
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Posted : Dec 21, 2009 12:25:53
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Yesterday ihave made some experiement on...my cubase..(luna II)..after finished track...i created some buses ....some bass +kick section...snare....fxs....and main pads and leads.....after that....recorded all this stuff to wave (internal cubase recording)...so effect was amazing....perfect quallity for mastering...all instruments was perfectly hearing for me...not comressed ass usually you got (before mast.),imean...using comression but each sound you hearing is good...so why...iwas missing about this stuff...??? |
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Trip-
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Posted : Dec 21, 2009 12:39
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I don't understand what was the different thing you've done?
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shachar
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Posted : Dec 21, 2009 12:51
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working with groups is not new.
with Luna soundcard you can add Bus and mix all groups in the luna mixer instead of the cubase.
it gives more control which can improve your sound
good luck
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wizanda
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Posted : Dec 21, 2009 14:14
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Albertos
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Posted : Dec 21, 2009 14:17
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For sure working with groups...groups its not buses...!!! Its the difference...if you routing main instruments...via...groups...you will get some lattency ratio...ihave checked this stuff ...but if you working completely with your buses latency is fine...and quallity is perfect.....routing via Scope Fusion Platform...its completely the best way to route
But I'am talking about simple cubase mixer Buses which can seriosly improve performance of your track specialy if you will equalize and compress it...for sure side chaining betwen buses will have some modern style effect of pumping ... |
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Albertos
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Posted : Dec 21, 2009 14:39
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I'have checked latency in ms of loop(kick bass) in sound forge
Build of loop- 1 Kick+BASS=GROUP MONO=Bus
2 Kick+BASS=Bus (with multiple buses)
variation 1 bass reflex lower
Its something like 0.6 ms ratio between...but just think about whole project...with perc...all your sound goes with ration in 0.6ms betwin bus output and group to bus...its...can affect on your quallity of compression and structure of all sound ...on big system you will fill the difference !!!
Its right??? |
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Trip-
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Posted : Dec 21, 2009 16:26
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I haven't heard of latency problems. There must be some compensation... at least I hope so for you folks.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Dec 21, 2009 17:35
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Albertos
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Posted : Dec 21, 2009 22:24
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On 2009-12-21 17:35, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2009-12-21 14:39, Dj Loopper wrote:
Its right???
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Not on Cubase, here there is full delay compensation on all channels and busses. And yes, a group in Cubase IS a bus; a bus is simply where multiple signals are combined together. You can also link fader levels together without actually combining the signals, as a VCA group (or linked channels in Cubase) but this is not a bus.
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I'am not sure....about this...so what for we need a bus??? If you got group...why you exporting mix via bus...and not via group??? a??? |
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greede
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Posted : Dec 22, 2009 00:57
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On 2009-12-21 22:24, Dj Loopper wrote:
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On 2009-12-21 17:35, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2009-12-21 14:39, Dj Loopper wrote:
Its right???
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Not on Cubase, here there is full delay compensation on all channels and busses. And yes, a group in Cubase IS a bus; a bus is simply where multiple signals are combined together. You can also link fader levels together without actually combining the signals, as a VCA group (or linked channels in Cubase) but this is not a bus.
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I'am not sure....about this...so what for we need a bus??? If you got group...why you exporting mix via bus...and not via group??? a???
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A group is a bus and a bus is a group....
They are one and the same thing.
Unless of course you are referring to public transport, then its something completely different. |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Dec 22, 2009 03:31
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Upavas
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Posted : Dec 22, 2009 04:53
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Freeflow
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Posted : Dec 22, 2009 05:04
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I sometimes use groups for summing kick and bass and compress together, but that is very rare...
i find using groups suits me better when i have used a whole FX chain on one channel and want to experiment with more! hehe
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shachar
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Posted : Dec 22, 2009 12:26
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the improvement is in the control over the whole mix. instead of mixing 64 channels you only mix 8 channel.
i think what you call BUS is the alter Master out which in the end goes into the ScopeFusion Mixer.
groups can help you get the whole percussions (for example) at the same level/Bit/Peak etc.. |
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Psydust
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Posted : Dec 23, 2009 00:35
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i always try to group my channels as much as possible for the sake of simplicity.
p.s. i almost got scared and confused when i heard first that grouping improves the sound, its like saying, increasing volume will brighten up your percussion lol
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