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Usefull info on Mastering and Headroom

woodster77
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Posted : Jan 13, 2011 17:03:09
heres a link to a pretty usefull page on mastering and how current practises have differed over time and styles of music and so on

http://www.digido.com/level-practices-part-2-includes-the-k-system.html
Vonoom
Vonoom

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Posted : Jan 13, 2011 19:16
A good read! Thanks           www.soundcloud.com/vonoom | www.vonoom.bandcamp.com | www.facebook.com/vonoom | www.flikflakfamily.com
woodster77
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Posted : Jan 14, 2011 00:23
i know it really opens up the mix

the general rule i got from it was

turn up the output on your DAW to full
turn evrything you use down
then bring them up level

and dont compressor or limiter on the output
once rendered into a wave use something like IZOTOPE OZONE (worth evry penny) to mester
your tracks

MID SIDE mastering is the fuckin mutts nutts
monno
Grapes Of Wrath

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Posted : Jan 14, 2011 12:39
If just 10% of what Bob says was understood by people, we would indeed have a much better common reference level. (important because of the non linear response of our ears)           Mastering available here:
http://www.bimmelim-soundlabs.com
http://soundcloud.com/onkeldunkel
http://www.myspace.com/onkeldunkelownz
http://www.parvati-records.com
woodster77
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Posted : Jan 14, 2011 13:26
zero phon...........

the point(db) at which a frequency becomes audible
The Andychrist
The Andychrist

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Posted : Jan 18, 2011 17:33
that's a sweet article. thanks for posting the link!

          http://soundcloud.com/the-andychrist
http://unwashedtomato.com
Ascension
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Posted : Jan 19, 2011 00:07
bookmarked to read later, thanks           http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
www.chilluminati.org - Midwest based psytrance group
SineFreq


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Posted : Jan 23, 2011 13:35
+1

This is something I wish would get discussed more. I feel a lot more comfortable just from what I scanned through though so far.

Thank You
monno
Grapes Of Wrath

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Posted : Jan 23, 2011 13:59
It has in fact been discussed quite a bit, but of course not on here where most topics circle around how to make X sound/bassline/etc.

Proper attention to gain has kind of taken a backseat position especially considering the fact that most stuff is so computer oriented (virtual)

There are in fact more reference level standards (mostly broadcast ones) but the k-metering scheme makes the most sense in a strictly musical context.

Anyhow attaining proper reference levels is by far the most useful info i got from that source (loads more info to be had naturally)
          Mastering available here:
http://www.bimmelim-soundlabs.com
http://soundcloud.com/onkeldunkel
http://www.myspace.com/onkeldunkelownz
http://www.parvati-records.com
Baba Yaga
Baba Yaga

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Posted : Jan 29, 2011 12:20
OMG 11 years later....but hey good that people start to talk about it, but would be even better if people actually would participate it. I know it's not that easy to sacrifice the loudness, especially on the psytrance scene doh, but hey...there is volume/gain knob, use it           www.parvati-records.com
http://soundcloud.com/babayagaparvati
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 29, 2011 14:16
Well i think its a big difference between the old amplifiers and todays lets say cheap active 2.1 systems.
Some of these system actually needs the music to be loud to have a proper sound level. And even some mp3 players.

well without talking about the ohm of the speakers or headphones, which of course has a major factor hear. But that factor should be seen by the manufacturers.

So this is a question, has todays technique around creating active speakers started to rely on music being to a certain standard?

I my self is a big fan of dynamic music, and i rather turn up the volume than have a piece of music squeezed to bits.

So from my experience if you want this you need a good amplifier, preferably passive speakers/monitors

And again, the importance of dynamics in music is crucial for a soft and pleasant experience. Its just that we are so afraid of not being heard, that someone would dismiss a piece of music just cause its not loud enough.. Thats just bullshit, People would fix this them self by turning up the volume or even some would raise the volume of the audiofiles them selfs, there is myriad of such program for end users. Still thats a bit counter productive as the aim is to keep it dynamic, well well, haha
monno
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Posted : Jan 29, 2011 15:56
There is such a thing as a volume knob if things are not loud enough, but with small speakers they can only go so loud. Besides this is music for rather large PA speakers mainly. Few % of listeners have what could be considered decent listening equipment at home, so the target must be to have it sound proper and loud for large systems (and there, loud is no problem) Turning music up in the analogue realm is somewhat more forgiving than a digital process where the ceiling is unforgiving. Top of the line analog equipment can easily take a +26db signal without bad side effects.

Much of this type of music only has about 6-8 db dynamic range before mastering, so there is already not a lot left compared to many other genres (Listen to classical symphonic music, now that´s dynamic!!!)           Mastering available here:
http://www.bimmelim-soundlabs.com
http://soundcloud.com/onkeldunkel
http://www.myspace.com/onkeldunkelownz
http://www.parvati-records.com
woodster77
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Posted : Jan 30, 2011 01:43
Quote:

On 2011-01-29 15:56, monno wrote:
There is such a thing as a volume knob if things are not loud enough, but with small speakers they can only go so loud. Besides this is music for rather large PA speakers mainly. Few % of listeners have what could be considered decent listening equipment at home, so the target must be to have it sound proper and loud for large systems (and there, loud is no problem) Turning music up in the analogue realm is somewhat more forgiving than a digital process where the ceiling is unforgiving. Top of the line analog equipment can easily take a +26db signal without bad side effects.

Much of this type of music only has about 6-8 db dynamic range before mastering, so there is already not a lot left compared to many other genres (Listen to classical symphonic music, now that´s dynamic!!!)



zero phon
monno
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Posted : Jan 30, 2011 06:17
Zero phon is not loud in fact it´s barely perceivable. where it ties into optimal reference levels i am not quite sure. Besides phon correlates more or less with dbA which is a more common scale outside of academic circles
          Mastering available here:
http://www.bimmelim-soundlabs.com
http://soundcloud.com/onkeldunkel
http://www.myspace.com/onkeldunkelownz
http://www.parvati-records.com
woodster77
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Posted : Jan 31, 2011 01:08
zero phon being the point at which a certain frequencey becomes audible......so of course it would be Bearly audible

the post was intended to help people think about headroom and not volume...........

and as my old lecturer used to say...a good way to find out if your mix is ok is too turn it down at the amp and if you can still hear everything your doing ok...nothing to do with loud amps

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