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konflux
Konflux
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 04:29
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It's all about the end product. If it sounds good people will have fun. Cheating is not welcome in any scene. Wait a couple of years till everybody switches to laptops and then new criteria will be formed as to what is considered an "A game" performance using processors, keyboards and waveforms floating around on a screen.
By the same token you can make the CDJ DJs lose 10 points for they use BMP counters as helpers in beat-matching. Back in the vinyl days there were NO BPM counters, neither there was the luxury of cuing. Record skipped a beat? Rewind and start over.
All these things make it very difficult to set comprehensive rules for the competition. For me it almost always boils down to perceived impression through stage presence and reputation.
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billy boogie
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 06:11
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Oranges!? I'll agree and to that and my ten point handicap. Haha
I never have pre-arranged sets. Only an idea of what I'll play. That goes for vinyl back in the day and digitally nowadays.
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On 2009-07-22 00:03, @ktif wrote:
Yeah you would be surprised at what is accepted these days and what people get away with...Think you've never heard a pre-arranged Press-spacebar-and-rock-faces set....you prolly have. Not to say that is bad, it was probably phenominal.
Does anyone have any thoughts about pre-arranged dj sets. Just curious. Like writing out a track list, mix points, timings, phrasing issues? Curious, albight this discussion probably already happened in another thread.
Noooo Billy you have to be there. I'm bringing apples and oranges for intermission. How could you miss out on that?!
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Alakazam
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 06:50
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So where will this event be held? |
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MsoB
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 11:14
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On 2009-07-22 00:03, @ktif wrote:
Yeah you would be surprised at what is accepted these days and what people get away with...Think you've never heard a pre-arranged Press-spacebar-and-rock-faces set....you prolly have. Not to say that is bad, it was probably phenominal.
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I've seen plenty of "press space bar and dance behind the laptop" sets... and as a long time laptop+ableton+midi controller user, I generally recognize them for what they are... ever seen deadact.com? Hence my suggestion to include video feeds of the DJ setup projected around the room.
and about this:
"Can we ever replace the "brushstroke" made in-hand by an artist in digital form with processing power."
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"think of all the artist, musicians, architects, physicians, mathematicians,ect. throughout history that had NO processors."
um... almost all of the music that we are playing is made with digital equipment - whether hardware synths (virus, nord, whatever) or software stuff - and CD players are just as digital as a laptop...
"Computers don't even come close to the processing power of the human mind imo.
Use the pentium inside of yourself."
I totally agree with you on this Nick, but that's precisely why I think it's silly to limit what tools DJs can use - ultimately no tool, regardless of how powerful, will replace the creativity and inspiration that make a good DJ/artist/performer, etc. All of the silly conflicts surrounding analog vs. digital, CDs vs. laptops, etc. are ridiculous to me, because you are just focusing on the tools, instead of the art. A computer can make beatmatching a whole lot easier and less time consuming, but IMO, that just means that beatmatching isn't really a big deal. Beatmatching is a skill, but not really an art. What makes a good DJ is the art - things like track selection, reading and responding to the crowd, flow, clean transitions and eqing, elegant and appropriate use of effects, etc. These are things that can never be replaced by a computer (a true AI, perhaps, but that's another discussion) - because they require creativity, taste, inspiration, empathy, etc.
so at what point can you make the distinction between a "crutch" vs. just a useful tool? should everyone have to use vinyl, so they can't set cue points? and if CDs are allowed, then how can you be sure that someone didn't just re-pitch or timestretch all their waves before making the CDs, so that all the tracks are the same tempo? cuz there are many famous DJs who do exactly that, to save themselves the time of having to worry about beatmatching. And if CDs aren't allowed, then what about the DJs who mix harmonically - because vinyl doesn't have key lock, so you have to choose between beatmatching and harmonic mixing?
if you limit this sort of competition to only allow the use of certain tools, then all you are really doing is having a competition to see who has the highest skill level on those particular tools. But if you see DJing as an art form (which I do), then it only makes sense to let each artist use whatever tools they are most comfortable with, and only judge based on the end result.
btw, EPIC thread-hijack!!!
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konflux
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 12:02
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 12:18
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On 2009-07-22 00:47, @ktif wrote:
Yes I agree there...but with all this processing power at our fingertips, a question is raised.
Can we ever replace the "brushstroke" made in-hand by an artist in digital form with processing power. The artist being a dj or whatever. I don't think so, but you may disagree with me.
Computers don't even come close to the processing power of the human mind imo.
Use the pentium inside of yourself.
The only technology we are talking about "banning" can be refered to as "crutches".
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No disrespect but I think a lot of DJs easily forget the fact that all they are doing is playing other peopleīs music. An example of this is when i asked a good DJ friend of mine what track he was mixing and he said he couldnt tell me because it was a "secret".
I donīt see the difference between an ableton arrangement and a DJ who makes an hour long mix CD or two for a set (happens often as well). Although I do have to say that simply doing a pre made ableton arrangement is rather lame as there is SO much more potential for a live performance than most people realize, and one is mistaken to assume that is all Ableton is good for. As a DJ you can rinse out serious mixes using Ableton without ever pre-arranging a single track in your set besides setting 1 cue point. Which you can do with CD decks also. Regarding pre arranged sets, if the artist has good taste then I will enjoy the music. Mission accomplished. If itīs pre arranged and nobody likes it, it is someone elseīs turn. Personally I would rather a DJ pre-arrange a set (either through ableton or making a set list with some mix-CDs or whatever) than to get up there and not know anything about what tracks heīs mixing.
Regarding the brushstroke metaphor used above, to me, personally, the closest we come to a "brushstroke" in this digital art is to play notes on a hardware synthesizer while tweaking knobs you assigned using a sound preset you designed. Jogging a CD jog wheel isnīt a "brushstroke", its coloring within the lines.
I think the idea of a psytrance DJ battle is kind of a non sequitur in this scene. Truly talented DJs and artists donīt need this sort of competition, because they understand itīs not about competition, but cooperation. When can we get back to having parties like that? Soon, I hope.
P.S. Ascension, if this ever does actually happen, you definitely need to bring the buzzer... I lolīd hard when I read that. 
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Alakazam
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 12:57
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On 2009-07-22 12:02, konflux wrote:
No shit! 
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On 2009-07-22 11:14, MsoB wrote:
btw, EPIC thread-hijack!!!
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Hey everybody...
BTW!!!!
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@ktif
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 16:34
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Great points Axis and MsoB!!!
What a great, totally off topic conversation. This is purly for fun and games. Think of this as a giant workshop. Great to see we all have passion for what matters. Great intelligent stuff here.
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kameleonpangea36
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 19:19
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nancy!
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On 2009-07-22 11:14, MsoB wrote:
btw, EPIC thread-hijack!!!
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Totally!
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@ktif
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 19:48
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I don't know.....Good point...
I guess there is something about mixing two or three different bpm tracks and actually "anticipating" the fluctuations that will occur. Correcting them before any correction is actually needed. THAT is dope, to both watch and do.
To see and hear someone who has a preventative approach to precise djing rather than reactionary is quite impressive.
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billy boogie
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 20:56
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On 2009-07-22 19:19, kameleonpangea36 wrote:
IF the end result is all that matters, then why dont we just craft our mixes in our studios, burn it to cd, go to the gig, press play and dance around?
why Is it only accepted if you have a computer?
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1) That is not accepted. anyone who has a pre-arranged set and is pushing play on their computer is cheating. DJing with a computer can be just as "by the seat of your pants" as Cd or vinyl DJing. Sometimes more. You could pre-arrange a set, and if you start to lose the people on the floor, then it's your job to fix it as the DJ. You can't do that with a pre-arranged set or even a pre-meditated setlist. It's a spontaneous thing that cannot be produced before hand. I'm sure people do that and it works out, but not only would I feel I was cheating people, I wouldn't be having any fun. And believe me, there is plenty of room for error while DJing digitally. Come to Desiderata and find out. haha. I'll show you how we train wreck in the future!!!
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@ktif
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 21:20
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On 2009-07-22 20:56, billy boogie wrote:
Come to Desiderata and find out. haha. I'll show you how we train wreck in the future!!!
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LOL!!! Space-train wreckin this piece...
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vector_0
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 22:13
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So where will this event be held?
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Canada
gotta be on neutral territory. Newfoundland would be best, i think.
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DanVapid
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Posted : Jul 23, 2009 01:09
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i vote for somewhere in the hawaiian islands |
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