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MsoB
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Posted : Jul 24, 2009 03:30
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On 2009-07-24 01:38, thegooddale wrote:
also, subgenre should play a part... If I played run of the mill 145-148 full on, I could run 1-1:30 minute nearly every mix, with slick transitions... If I am trying to mix an Audiopathik track with an Osom track it gets a whole lot trickier...
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haha, we should DEFINITELY include penalties and bonuses based on subgenres - so this can be the most utterly convoluted mess in history 
I think anyone who plays mostly brunchtime-trance should automatically have their final score multiplied by 2... |
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paradigm
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Posted : Jul 24, 2009 03:37
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On 2009-07-24 01:38, thegooddale wrote:
also, subgenre should play a part... If I played run of the mill 145-148 full on, I could run 1-1:30 minute nearly every mix, with slick transitions... If I am trying to mix an Audiopathik track with an Osom track it gets a whole lot trickier...
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while there is alot of truth to this... crazy psychedelic night time stuff tho, is usually only mixed for a measure or 2 at most. With all the drops, glitches, double builds and what have you, it very quickly turns into a big pile of sloppy if mixed too long...
thus negating any serious work the dj will have to do, to keep the tracks from diverging, as the short time of the mix seriously cuts down any time the tracks have to seperate
Logical Light Music - SF
Straylight Productions -SF
Sound/Mind - Denver
Xcience - Midwest
mixes for dl at :
http://www.thehothouse.net/straylight/paradigm/index.htm
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MsoB
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Posted : Jul 24, 2009 04:01
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On 2009-07-24 01:38, thegooddale wrote:
also, subgenre should play a part... If I played run of the mill 145-148 full on, I could run 1-1:30 minute nearly every mix, with slick transitions... If I am trying to mix an Audiopathik track with an Osom track it gets a whole lot trickier...
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while there is alot of truth to this... crazy psychedelic night time stuff tho, is usually only mixed for a measure or 2 at most. With all the drops, glitches, double builds and what have you, it very quickly turns into a big pile of sloppy if mixed too long...
thus negating any serious work the dj will have to do, to keep the tracks from diverging, as the short time of the mix seriously cuts down any time the tracks have to seperate
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hmm... I generally find that my transitions are longer and more complex with the crazy night stuff, because it doesn't have as many melodies or chord progressions, so there is less harmonic clashing - as long as the basslines blend well, I will sometimes do 2-3 minute mixes with night tracks. Obviously you have to be aware of breakdowns and glitched out parts, but with some good filtering and fader flicking, I find that some night stuff is awesome for long mixes. But I guess it all depends on the type of night stuff you are playing.
granted i'm an ableton user, so the tracks separating thing isn't an issue for me |
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OpenSourceCode
Datavore
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Posted : Jul 24, 2009 05:36
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hardkornate
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Posted : Jul 24, 2009 08:22
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On 2009-07-24 01:38, thegooddale wrote:
also, subgenre should play a part... If I played run of the mill 145-148 full on, I could run 1-1:30 minute nearly every mix, with slick transitions... If I am trying to mix an Audiopathik track with an Osom track it gets a whole lot trickier...
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while there is alot of truth to this... crazy psychedelic night time stuff tho, is usually only mixed for a measure or 2 at most. With all the drops, glitches, double builds and what have you, it very quickly turns into a big pile of sloppy if mixed too long...
thus negating any serious work the dj will have to do, to keep the tracks from diverging, as the short time of the mix seriously cuts down any time the tracks have to seperate
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Maybe if the DJ sucks and doesn't know the tracks well enough to know when to cut back and forth till it settles down a bit and he can bring the tracks back together...
Dark = you can pretty much mix the whole track if you do it right.
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rob-ot
M-Field
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Posted : Jul 24, 2009 12:53
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wow what a thread.
back when i was a young whippersnapper...i practiced my f**ing ass off on vinyl, then CDs, to the point where i could keep a tight beat lock on anything for many minutes. I got surgical with my EQing.
But it dawned upon me after a while that I was stressing too much about technique and thinking enough about track selection and flow.
But luckily for me I got into making Choons and a bit less interested in DJing...(nowadays i can sometimes hold a long mix, but its tenuous, just dont practice enough  ) I still like to DJ defintely but i try to enjoy it more and think more about the tracks...still like to get a decent length clean mix, and I can defintely do it...but its not my main focus
Point is...like on any musical instrument...its easy to get enamored with technique. I worked my way up to virtuoso speed scales on classical guitar, only to realize it made my phrasing and dynamics stiff.
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Trancephonic_Kronik
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Posted : Jul 24, 2009 17:11
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I agree that laptop djing is super easy cause I am not one but I learned virtual dj and traktor myself and its really easy. But that doesn't mean that its not really really fun!
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in order of difficulty IMHO
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Cdj (and to you newbies, how bout rocking a set on old school cdj 100/500/700 instead of 1000 or 800 or 200, aint no bpm counters on those)
Laptop
yes a laptop lets you do more things, but there is no difficulty in being able to visually match a wave form pattern and press + or - to line it up
hell it seems more than half of laptop Dj's dont even use or own a pair of headphones. All they need to do is make the pretty pictures match, and visually set a cue point
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Trancephonic_Kronik
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Posted : Jul 24, 2009 17:30
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Seriously dood. STAB YOURSELF IN THA FACE! TO THE BEAT OF Xxipz - Cow and Chicken / 205
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On 2009-07-23 19:24, maximjou wrote:
AND REALISTICALY I PLAY FOR THE GIRLS> I DONT GIVE 2 SHI-TS> IF DUDES ARE ALL DROOLING TO SEE HOW IM MIXING OR WITH WHAT IF THE GIRLS ARE SHAKING THEIR FAT ASSES IM HAPPY BECAUSE THATS THE ONLY REASON I MAKE AND PLAY MUSIC TO GET LAID AND MEETS GIRLS GIRLS AND THEIR FRIENDS GIRLS. girls do not kjare about what u use if they like what u play and have a good time you in their pants, ON THE OTHER HAND IF YOU LOOKING AT HOW THE DJ IS MIXING THE WHOLE PARTY YOUR KINDA LAME AND GIRLS ARE PROBABLY NOT ON YOUR MIND AND YOU LOST THE WHOLE POINT OF GOING OUT TO PARTY
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Trancephonic_Kronik
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Posted : Jul 24, 2009 17:38
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Finally someone who does not spit out complete bull shit.
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On 2009-07-23 17:27, maximjou wrote:
man psytrance people are crazy i never seen people argues about music so much. cdjs are ancient use laptops people with traktor u can make 10 diffrent songs from one loop. now thats why they beat cdjs hands down. hook up evolution uc33 and u need nothing else and anyone who says mixing on laptop is bullshit is because people that mix and use the comp alot their mixes will kill your cdj mix anyday. im sorry but u canmt beat me when i make a track from a loop using 4 players at one time and having time to cue loop and set effects at same time while loading atrack take that ancient djs
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ok so you've obviously been djing for about 6 months.. probably with pirated dj software and using a bunch of 'killah' tracks youve downloaded free.
please do post some of your mixes for us to check out.
what would be the point in playing 4 psy tracks at once?? maybe hip hop, dubstep or maybe even house but psy trance?> theres no need.
your not just playing other peoples music. your telling a story with their music. which is what most producers have in mind when producing a track..
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Deep-Fryer
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Posted : Jul 24, 2009 17:56
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I need to collect my royalty chex on the term "psy-slinger" by now perhaps
And if you play the real deal, cut-to-the-quick, sloshed on Finnish "Kolme Leijonaa" Suomisaundi and dont fuck it up beyond recognition... Plus 604 points to you my friend.
PS: For the record, this is a mad weird thread... I need to come back to the US so I can put this in context(???) {':' }Deep Fryer/Squirmtronix{ ':'}
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Ascension
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Posted : Jul 24, 2009 18:06
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Trancephonic_Kronik
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Posted : Jul 24, 2009 18:14
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Its always the sober nazis who are total douche rockets. Producing music with alot of layers and samples is way different than djing four complete trax at once. Thats just a dumb idea.
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and yes i can do 4 cdj's at once, and have 2 of them being my cmx 3000's were i can set multiple loops off of the tracks, then layer from the other 2 cdjs..
4 minute plus mix with 4 tracks, effects and fader cuts
but whats the point of that??? This is psy not hip hop. So many things like that ruin the individualtracks
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I WONDER DO U LIKE PSYKOVSKY< BECAUSE IF YOU DO I DONT UNDERSTAND HOW YOU SAY SO MUCH LAYERING IS GONNA RUIN TRACKS> HE HAS SO MANY SAMPLES IN HIS MUSIC THAT SOMETIMES I THINK HE RUINS IT> I MEAN I CANT LISTEN TO IT UNLESS IM HIGH> BUT PEOPLE LOVE IT AND ITS TOO CHAOTIC. IF LAYERS DONT FIT YEAH BUT IF THEY DO U CAN HAVE 200 LOOPS AT ONCE THAT WILL MAKE A HOT MIX YOU MAN THIS IS CRAZYLOLOL BUT FUN PSY PEOPLE ARE SO SENSITIVE STAY OFF THE ACID IT GIVES YOU WOMEN HORMONES AND THEN U BECOME A LITTLE GIRL
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mubali
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Posted : Jul 24, 2009 18:41
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You know... all that I ask is that you play decent music and try not to frackin trainwreck... Is that too much to ask for. Quit dickwaving... I honestly don't really care how many tracks you can play at the same time or how long you mix, as long as you don't trainwreck more than once in a set... In the end, if I really like the music, I'm not watching how you play it. I'm dancing with my eyes closed going on the journey that you are supposed to do. And yes tracks are supposed to be a journey, but honestly how far can you really go in 8 minutes. I do like the concept of a collaboration of short stories into a cohesive novel that really takes you someplace... In my ideal, that is what a dj set is all about for me. And the technical stuff is basically the grammar inside the novel.
But please, can we end this petty banter... I know some of you are having fun with this, but don't you have something better to do? It's summer for crying out loud, go do something.
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Ascension
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Posted : Jul 24, 2009 18:53
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Yeah Greg, that was the initial point Nick and I were trying to get across. Don't trainwreck shit, that's amateur hour. There's a million things you can do with mixing, but if you don't have the fundamentals down it doesn't matter. Your set can be great, but if you keep wrecking shit, it sounds like crap.
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shellbound
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Posted : Jul 24, 2009 19:03
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On 2009-07-24 18:14, Trancephonic_Kronik wrote:
Its always the sober nazis who are total douche rockets.
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this thread just keeps on giving.
EDIT: ok, when quoting someone, it's better to put the quote first and then your response to it. this way you can create a thing called 'context.' however, in this situation, without the context, that just delivered the goods for me. i don't know, it was just so sudden and unexpected and so eloquently put... i couldn't stop laughing for a good couple of minutes. i just kept re-reading it over and over again. in context, that probably wouldn't have delivered. but as its own thing. its own island. without beginning and end...
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