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Understanding volume and mastering.
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Agorit
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Posted : Nov 27, 2012 07:33
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Mixing don't have to worry about volume IMO
why not mix at -10dbFS(master) for exemple, and increase the output of your audio interface to hear loud?
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Ampersand
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Posted : Nov 27, 2012 09:23
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On 2012-11-27 03:02, Colin OOOD wrote:
...I was responding to Ampersand's post about the best way to turn down the mix as a whole, nothing to do with improving it.
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You quoted Alien Bug.  Was the response aimed at me? I ask because I am wondering if you were agreeing or disagreeing with what I was saying. I would love to know if what I am doing is totally wrong, hah. But from my understanding, I am simply turning down the channels to avoid fussing with the master fader and to keep the mix in it's original state, just slightly quieter for headroom. This is what I have always done without issue but if it is really is as simple as normalizing to the desired value then I must be overcomplicating things.
edit: Wow, totally missed what you said to me, I see it now, was above the quote, doh. Well, having read what you said now, is there really any difference? I guess in terms of click moves, turning down the master is slightly less clicks. But really all I do in Ableton is select all then turn down one channel and they all follow suit. My teachers taught me not to ever touch a master fader but I could see why it would be the same in this instance, I guess I just don't touch mine out of habit. I don't claim to say it's the right way but it seems to have the exact same effect. |
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Kolishin Methud
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Posted : Nov 27, 2012 10:51
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are you sure he didn't mean like "at least -3dB"? 
I was taught that mastering is meant to raise the general volume of a track or tracks, and as long as the mix is good. and the mastering engineer is skilled- the master will be good as well. Although I could be wrong :/
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Taisto
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Posted : Nov 27, 2012 14:27
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Last time i had to lower master channel down to 60% while mixing, or sometimes masterchannel can go even up to 120% during the composing and mixing. So i use it like normal channel fader, thats why its made for moving in the first place i think, that you have option to move it if you have to.. But no differences to the whole mix in general, its like croup channel which take care of all channels and other group channels, why not using it as greative as other faders. What is the rule that do not touch master fader?
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MuckyPuh
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Posted : Nov 27, 2012 16:39
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On 2012-11-27 14:27, Taisto wrote:
What is the rule that do not touch master fader?
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well the general "rule" is that any kind volume distortion will affect the quality - so the least you use it - the better -
one should always try to have a optimal signal flow so your signal is as far away as possible from the groundnoize ... if the signal is has very low volume and is very near to the ground noise and you put it up again with some kind of maximizer you will also bring up the noize ...
so thats why theoreticly its best to fix it in the mix with the channel faders - and not with the master phader ...
but i guess this gets less important when working in a daw at 32 bit float ...
http://www.muckymusic.blogspot.de/
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 27, 2012 16:55
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master fader is made specially for this, to adjust level so it don t clip but won t go into details but it s better to avoid going into the red by using lower levels to leave enought headroom, start with kick betwwen -10/-12 and you don have to worry about things like that. |
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Nov 28, 2012 02:15
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Babaluma
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Posted : Nov 28, 2012 11:18
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Midnight Sun
ProtoDrive
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Posted : Nov 28, 2012 19:06
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Well I have a very easy way to achieve that:
Kick & Bass ---- -9dB
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Percussion ----- -6dB
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Everything else -- -3dB
If you get right with having your kick, bass and percussion at -6dB youŽll barely reach those -3dB.
Hope it helps!
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Oni Katsu
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Posted : Nov 28, 2012 20:04
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You guys are the bomb! i already learned a lot by asking you this!
And Babaluma: Those were the bomb! and even better: Screenshots from Logic  even a notch easier to understand!
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On 2012-11-27 02:12, makus wrote:
what about -2? is it worse?
Oni, you first screenshot gives us no useful info, sorry.
this kind of pic would be better, as it shows the real peaks offline.
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Oh man i need that plug-in! or something equal!
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On 2012-11-28 19:06, Midnight Sun wrote:
Well I have a very easy way to achieve that:
Kick & Bass ---- -9dB
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Percussion ----- -6dB
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Everything else -- -3dB
If you get right with having your kick, bass and percussion at -6dB youŽll barely reach those -3dB.
Hope it helps!
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This tip seems questionable. I believe this is a matter of taste and genre too.
Please correct me if i'm wrong? But i like to keep my Leads steadily at the same volume as my bass elements? :l if not lower in volume!
Also why would i want my pad at-3dB when my kb is at -10?
whut.... http://soundcloud.com/li-fe
I said I like it dirty, not muddy. |
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Equilizyme
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Posted : Nov 28, 2012 20:53
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Nov 29, 2012 02:33
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Midnight Sun
ProtoDrive
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Posted : Nov 30, 2012 01:33
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On 2012-11-28 19:06, Midnight Sun wrote:
Well I have a very easy way to achieve that:
Kick & Bass ---- -9dB
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Percussion ----- -6dB
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Everything else -- -3dB
If you get right with having your kick, bass and percussion at -6dB youŽll barely reach those -3dB.
Hope it helps!
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This tip seems questionable. I believe this is a matter of taste and genre too.
Please correct me if i'm wrong? But i like to keep my Leads steadily at the same volume as my bass elements? :l if not lower in volume!
Also why would i want my pad at-3dB when my kb is at -10?
whut....
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Sorry I think you missunderstood it, I think youll get it this way:
Kick & Bass ---- -9dB ON MASTER CHANNEL
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Percussion ----- -6dB ON MASTER CHANNEL
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Everything else -- -3dB ON MASTER CHANNEL
So you dont have to put your pads at -3dB, the point with this formula is to have a maximum of thos dB ammounts on the master channel, and well yes its specifically for trance music and I supose you are making trance music because we are at Isratrance forum. I hope its clear now. Good luck!
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Taisto
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Posted : Nov 30, 2012 03:41
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Jou, thanks for this!
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Babaluma
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Posted : Nov 30, 2012 10:13
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