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evgeny@aero-groove
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Posted : Aug 4, 2005 15:37
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imo:trance parties was never about the most killah hotshot abroad artist the biggest sound system and the most amazing deco its about the vibe and the ppl.
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well that's your prespective only , for me good music which is played right is also an a must ingredient. for my friends as well and for many others i know...
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they dont even need to bring security to their parties.
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Don't see anything good about that...
not something to brag about...
Doof/lior&sela did not promote themselves on the internet??? maybe they don't do it now ok cuz they have their crowd , and if they will start losing them they will be right back in the party promotion section...
Ok you say no SMS no Internet , no flyers
how do i know about these secret cults then how do i get in??? i'm a good white boy
Only if i'm born into a Doof org family???
All these "underground" ppl and org you talk about didn't you got to know some thru the net???
7 pages of reviews about doof festival i remind u & many others i bet if you use the search you will find enough doof promotion...
Underground was/is underground not by choise at leats that's how it started , but because it was illegal & there was a need to hide...
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Oran
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Posted : Aug 4, 2005 15:58
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1)there's more than enough good dj's/artists in israel if ill want to hear abroad artists i will go to boom/voov and hear them all.dont forget that you are the one that pay for the artist fee in the ticket price 80/120 nis(plus some comition to the org.
2)imo the security thing is a part of how bad our parties looks this days i remember few years back there were 2 girls standing on the entrance of the party charging evryone for 50nis.today we must have 15 armed gorillas watching us not getting stubbed by some bad ass muthafacka.this kind of ruin the experience for me .so i realy do think those org's that can make parties without security have something to b proud of.
3)please provide a link to promotion of those org's.i didn't talk about the doof festival but the doof parties though also the fest wasn't promoted on the net and i can tell you(or can't tell you?)that on the mod's section b4 the fest candy ask to delete any thread about the fest.
4)i dont know how long ago you started to go to parties,but how ppl knew about parties 5 or 10 years ago?
1 more thing:
i tottaly understand the need of that kind of promotion.because of the competation between the org's.
but:imo real underground org's doesent play that game and doesnt compite with anyone.
real underground is about taking risks loosing money/police and all kind of crazy shit.
some answers please?
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evgeny@aero-groove
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Posted : Aug 4, 2005 16:13
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Oran
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Posted : Aug 4, 2005 16:20
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On 2005-08-04 16:13, dragoon wrote:
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some answers please?
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Azov bro i'm not into writing long threads as you we juts have diffrent perspectives which neither of us i guess will change no matter what questions or answers we will provide each other, or what facts...no need to turn this into a zillion page debate over some thing that we both know won't change
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how convenient.
@borris:
nothing personal as you probably know the 3rd empire is not the 1st production with logo's shirts stickers website and other merchendise.
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THE-ORACLE
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Posted : Aug 4, 2005 17:18
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real underground is about taking risks loosing money/police and all kind of crazy shit. |
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Opus (Eli)
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Posted : Aug 4, 2005 17:19
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On 2005-08-04 14:53, oran(m.p) wrote:
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listen kiddo!!!
6 days days passed since i was in a realy good party and thats means im not in a good mood anymore.
imo:trance parties was never about the most killah hotshot abroad artist the biggest sound system and the most amazing deco its about the vibe and the ppl.
evryweek you see here ppl bitching about the crowd that suxxx in parties and im not surprized. when did trance parties became so "see throw" today even ppl that dont have any connection to this scene comes and tell me today there's a party of x org and next week y org.sorry its not seppose to be that way.
and please spare me the we dont do it for the money BS no one risk 30.000+nis for a party just to make his friends happy.
the number of ppl on the party doesent make it more or less underground it could b a 1000 ppl underground party or a 100 ppl commercial party.
but when im going out i want 2 be 110% sure that the orgenizer made all the efforts to have the best crowd in his party which means:no sms's maybe a little invetations NO ISRATRANCE OR OTHER FORUMS/WEBSITES PROMOTION!!!but i guess that explains why i stay home evryweek.
for exemple check out org's like nico and filepe or doof records thos org's are so hush hush and trust their crowd in 100& that they dont even need to bring security to their parties.that the real shit my friend.
once again:i dont have prob. with enyones parties its just make me sick that ppl that promote their parties on the god damn internet call themselves "underground" imo its dissrespect in evrything i have ever belived in.
and thats was my longest post on isratrance ever i feel much better now though i dont belive things will change.i will stay with my 3 4 underground parties per year(doof/lior&sela)and you will probably continue your 7 pages sucking each others cock's on the party reviews section.
UNDERGROUND MY "S"
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after pressing submit it doesent looks so long.sure feels like it though.
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lisent kiddo???
firset of all you dont know every org and what there spirits of amaking parties(not onlly moeny. meaby for you???)!!!
if you love doof parties or dont know who so good for you!!!(doof are have good parties but it took aloong time and many parties to came to this!!!).
and if the org can give to there crowd a good soundsystam a good d.js so the qullity
are bigger(for exampel 3d empire).
i see that you like small parties and you missing to the old times of parties whene all what carrs ppl was to have a good time no meeter who playing or what kind of sound systam.
you are very negativ and your spirit dosnt help to any one!!!(you are onlly barking and barking)
dont goona fight with you about our diffrent views of live!!!
men you need take a brithe of clean air and reallax!!!
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OpuS
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Posted : Aug 4, 2005 17:31
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Oran my best advise to you is to stay bitter at home & maybe look for alternative scene.
stop spreading that bitterness (quote - "listen kiddo" ?!)
I have many thing to say about a lot of silly things you say (security - israely dj's etc'), but as i see your way of talking i'll just skip the effort.
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Oran
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Posted : Aug 4, 2005 17:32
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On 2005-08-04 17:19, Opus (Eli) wrote:
lisent kiddo???
firset of all you dont know every org and what there spirits of amaking parties(not onlly moeny. meaby for you???)!!!
if you love doof parties or dont know who so good for you!!!(doof are have good parties but it took aloong time and many parties to came to this!!!).
and if the org can give to there crowd a good soundsystam a good d.js so the qullity
are bigger(for exampel 3d empire).
i see that you like small parties and you missing to the old times of parties whene all what carrs ppl was to have a good time no meeter who playing or what kind of sound systam.
you are very negativ and your spirit dosnt help to any one!!!(you are onlly barking and barking)
dont goona fight with you about our diffrent views of live!!!
men you need take a brithe of clean air and reallax!!!
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you are another one of those who thinks the bigger the better...this is the attitude that brought us 2 where we are today and the way our parties looks like.
and now please go 2 the bored and write 100000000000000 times IM A 3RD EMPIRE GROOPIE"
pretty weird idols the underground scene have this days dont you think?
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OpuS
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Posted : Aug 4, 2005 17:46
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The 3rd empire is just the best & easiest example, especially in this forum- where i think everyone knows them here.
cant you make a decent argument with out all youre nonsence?
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Opus (Eli)
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Posted : Aug 4, 2005 17:52
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On 2005-08-04 17:32, oran(m.p) wrote:
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On 2005-08-04 17:19, Opus (Eli) wrote:
you are another one of those who thinks the bigger the better...this is the attitude that brought us 2 where we are today and the way our parties looks like.
and now please go 2 the bored and write 100000000000000 times IM A 3RD EMPIRE GROOPIE"
pretty weird idols the underground scene have this days dont you think?
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man you write things about me!!!you know me?and what i do???what i love???
you talk on me wrong and i dont thing that you have something smart to say and teach ppl
onlly bad vibes!!!
sorry if i say something that hit you!!!
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the divine trance". |
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Oran
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Posted : Aug 4, 2005 18:03
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i wrote here more than i write on isratrance in a year and you say i dont say anything?
i only try to make ppl see the diffrent between tha real shit and those groppies mtv underground wannabes parties that all.
i know most of the ppl here wont agree cause most of them are a part of the groopies tribe.so its very easy for you to use an example that evryone will agree but its actually not true.
many ppl tell me they agree with me but they dont write.they say its a waste of time cause ppl dont get it anyway.looks like evryone here is a part of the proopies tribe.
Majority is never right!
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Cyber Punk
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Posted : Aug 4, 2005 18:03
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Easy, easy... shanti, shanti...
Anashim, no need for fights.
oran, if you don't like what is going on with "underground parties" scene, just start make your own.
What is the point to bitch about others ?
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Oran
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Posted : Aug 4, 2005 18:08
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cyber,where did u saw i was bitching?
i just try 2 make ppl see that those so called underground parties are not really underground, more like a mtv underground parties.
that's all.
i stop making parties because i belive its impossible for me to make parties the way it should be.if you'll read throw the thread you will see how a party should look like imo.thats also the reason why i almost not going 2 parties anymore.
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OpuS
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Posted : Aug 4, 2005 18:12
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Oran - to say that any one who dissagree with you is just "part of the groopie tribe" and dont get it is reall errogence. SHACHTZANUT LISHMA.
I dont think you know better than anyone else (with no offence).
the definition of what underground is, is a bit different for some ppl. thats it.
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OpuS
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Posted : Aug 4, 2005 18:14
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maybe you dont curse Oran - but you are very much disrespectfull. to bad - it could have been a very good - going somewhere discution.
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