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Underground=Another Word For Bad Music?
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 06:04
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Most of psy-trance music is "underground" especially when you consider other non-electronic genres.
Some "underground" music is good, some is bad. Some of it is brilliant. End of story. I dont really appreciate it when anyone flies a banner with the word "underground" over their head, using it as an excuse, but its really not that big of a deal.
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Stash
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 07:10
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i love dark trance and only listen to that genre but i have to agree that some of the so called DARK tunes that are said to be underground are really pathetic.........i mean its just noise and only noise
very bad for home listening/party/car/anywhwrer
IMo artists (upcoming) jump on to the underground bandwagon to try and get recognition or to try and absolve themselves of blame for creating a bad track..
..their excuse>>> its an underground sound 
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Candy
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 08:01
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If I had to choose between good production and originality, I would choose originality every time, without hesitation.
People attach too much importance nowdays to production quality, and don't really care that all tracks sound alike.
As I live by the phrase "majority is never right", underground is a blessed word for me. Obviously I do not find all underground music good, but I noticed that much of the music I like, most people cannot handle, and guess what? This same music also doesn't sell! This is what underground music is for me.
As for the dark trend, well there are stuff I like such as Zirkin (I know I'm not being objective here), but u also ppl are forgetting the father and mother of dark underground music such as The Nam Shub of Enki or Shaolin Wooden Men for example. And the most ironic part is that if you try and make some of these new trend "dark" psy lovers hear these dark classical masters, they will not understand this music.
As I said - majority is never right (call me a nazi for all I care) - unfotunately. Therefore, most true underground artists are not recognised for their music and are not understood. But I guess this is the faith of most true artists that truelly lives for music and not for money.
Majority is never right!
"Without music, life is meaningless."
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 11:35
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Underground is the opposite of mainstream.
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Kaz
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 12:17
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All underground means is that communicativity is not the center of the music, but rather the music itself is. It takes a long time until good music outlasts the crappy-but-communicative music - The Doors are finally credited better than the competing cheesy lovesongs that kept beating them in the charts, it took years for the Beatles to become more accepted than the Beach Boys on a global scale, Mozart died a poor man considered to be a wasted prodigy child when no one hears the "serious" competitors to Mozart at the time anymore, except people that want to learn about Mozart.
Underground music can be totally awesome, and you can always take the examples of hip hop, where the underground includes acts like DJ Shadow that will never, ever, no matter what, be as popular as Puff Daddy, but are in no way worse music. Popular 80s music is the cheesy one-hit-wonder hits, not the Pixies, Kraftwerk, Sonic Youth or Brain Eno. Popular psytrance will be Astrix for a while longer. Excuse me while I listen to some Rip Van Hippy instead. I'll continue enjoying his music when Astrix will be considered something to smile and laugh about, like 2Unlimited (the techno superstars  ).
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Xazy
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 13:15
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ok detox what music do you make ?
why don't you tell us names of these producors or have'nt you got the balls !!!
get your fluffy stuff out from here !!!! |
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DETOX
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 14:35
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XAZY first of all i dont produce music,i think i dont have the knowledge and patient to do that yet.I am just a small label manager and a psy trance fan.
I dont mention names here not because i dont have the balls to do it but because i dont want to turn this topic more personal than it already is.And trust me i could choose not to open this thread and sleep well or to sign under a different nickname and start naming people and labels here and create a mess in the forum but instead i chose to open this thread with my real nickname and accept all the bashing or nice words that would come,i guess that gives me some balls no?
Names dont matter much when i give many precise details of what i am talking about and when also many many people understand what i am talking about.You also got people like Stash that are into dark trance saying in public that he knows about this situation and doesnt like it at all,why you need names when you got people giving you facts?And trust me when the conversation evolves you will see more people coming and you will read stories about artists that had to do the mastering for such music and had a headache afterwards (not to mention a hugh laugh with some of the tracks due to extreme frequencies and even mistakes in production),you will read stories of people that bought a cd because they thought it contained dark trance and they ended up with just some noises recorded into a cd,stories of artists that released their tracks on dark trance labels and after that they regretted the whole thing cause they understood that what they released was really bad and jeopardised them instead of giving them some credit,they really wanted to release something but in the end they regret it,you will see many stories trust me just like i see many stories every single day with people wanting to send me their music through MSN and when i tell them that the music is not what i am looking for or i tell them that the production is not so good i receive angry answers like 'You release only commercial music','You dont know how to judge the underground sound','You dont have an idea of what you are talking about my track is killer' and things like that,when ofcourse i ask them for more explanations they just dissapear from my MSN which is actually the best part of our short meeting hehe.
SLYMAN not everyone wants to be Astrix (in terms of fame) in our days but most of the artists out there wish that and most of the persons that label themselves as underground wish that also.As for the before 2000 trance material that you mentioned,its wrong to compare music made back then and music made today in terms of production quality since the hardware and software back then has nothing to do with todays technology.Thats why many times that we all hear old Juno Reactor,Transwave,Hallucinogen and Astral Projection tunes we say to our friends 'Hey listen what these guys did with that shitty equipment back then'
SPINDRIFT you got exactly my point mate,the people that you mentioned,people that are not willing to release their music because they dont like the way the industry operates,people that dont accept bookings for live perfomances because simply they know they cant provide a live perfomance or dont have the appropriate music to do so and are not willing to jeopardise themself for some money then these people are what i call UNDERGROUND.
Just like FU HSI said smoking Chillums,saying Boom Shankar and having an Ohm tatoo in your arm doesnt make you underground just like a fast pc with some programs and two monitors doesnt necessery make you a producer.
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DETOX
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 14:39
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By the way XAZY,i just noticed your signature.
'get your fluffy stuff out from here !!!!'
Your words represent EXACTLY that high nosed and silly attitude that some so called underground producers have in our days.
I guess you are a living example of my words so far.
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 14:56
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First I would like to say HI to everyone. I've been a lurker for a while, and now I feel compelled to post.
Being as old as I am (hence the name Granddaddy), I have been part of the "Underground" movement called "House" back in the 80's. Why was it underground? Because the DJ's/Artists/Producers couldn't get the time of day from any record label. Therefore, they started their own labels. The labels of the day were DJ International, TRAX, Hot Mix 5, among the few.
Now, almost 20 years later, "House" seems to be the mainstream of many clubs in the US and Europe. However, it's nowhere near what the original house groove was all about or intended to be.
So what is underground? Something that's not accepted by major record labels and producers? Is it aspiring artists/DJ's/Producers that can't get their break? Is it music that was played in clubs, that isn't released that other people want to purchase? Is it underproduced material? What ever your definition may be, "underground" will always be a "movement" of most genre's of music.
It could be the "next generation" or the next sub genre of music. It could also be something that one creates to boast among their peers that they "own a label", or "released a track".
Peace,
Granddaddy
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daniel duarte
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 16:43
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Well, Detox said pretty much everything with his last 2 posts.
This topic will probably turn into a dark vs light thread... something that reminds me of star wars |
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Oran
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 17:16
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all posts by h2o was deleted from this topic by his request...
guys please....
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log.A.rythm
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 18:16
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ca mon guys anyway it this worth all the fighting??
what the fuck if some artists (im including on it) can be able to realase sometn¡hing and his music is crap but anyway they are so proud about it and they think they are so special cause been undergournd is only his damn problem, indeed if they are as bad as u tell they will never realase nothing and will ever been in the unkown , so at all is not a so big prob to worry about, and i think that doesnt matter how u label the music (underground ,mainstream,comercial,etc.) the real deal is that u take what u like from what it is cause theres no matter how bad pr good can be a track there is always one person who gonna like it, and at all man u must remember that in a beginning all artist are considered underground , until they can realase something at a label and they becºome mainstream, i think is a process that a lot of astists has go trought, lot more has not , but i can see some do. in the end everything goes down at his own. ¿and why u ppl always has to choose a side ?
i like psychedelic trance yo! even if is morning,dark,orange flavoured, progressive ,etc... and i dont think that if some ppl choose a side that is not specially mine they are wrong, that is the beautyfull thing about this music, there is a lot for everyone!! so i dont think we should take this as a dark vs. light there is always goin to be ppl that is not agree whit u u can go around the world trying to convince ll ppl that ur shit is the shit, u better enjoy what u like stop worries about other ppl been in a error just cause they have not the same tastes u have.is pointless |
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Spindrift
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On 2004-12-13 16:43, daniel duarte wrote:
This topic will probably turn into a dark vs light thread... something that reminds me of star wars
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You have to admit that Darth is a lot cooler than that ponzy Luke anyway 
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olivier
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On 2004-12-13 18:34, Spindrift wrote:
You have to admit that Darth is a lot cooler than that ponzy Luke anyway
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i personnaly like chewbacca better ^^
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phobium
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