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Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 00:32
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I must say that statements like "He said to me that in our days underground is another word for bad and low quality music and suddenly i found myself 100% with his words." can make you elitist because you think what other people like and you don't like is "bad and low quality".
And to say that everything underground IS bad and low quality shows a quite naive understanding about music.
To say that only bad music excists in a genre is not really exposing a deep understanding of music in my eyes.
There is people who live for that kind of music, and just because you can't comprehend their taste don't mean that your taste is better.
Looking at your releases I would think that personally I find that what you like sounds boring, flat and uninspired to me.
But thats light-years away from saying that the music IS bad or low quality.
The quality judgement is better left out from discussions about genres, let alone a concept like underground which runs thru the whole trance scene and all other scenes like blood.
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Lux
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 00:57
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Detox I'm with you all the way man. Nowadays everyone's trying to be "underground" in terms of producing something unique which turns out to be a complex of sounds put together and just that. Noise, if you want to define it in different words.
Of course, not all "underground music" is like that but it seems that nowadays, the trend goes towards Detox's definition.
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DETOX
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 00:58
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Spindrift thinking that what other people like is 'bad and low quality' is just an expression of a personal opinion,elitism would be if i said to people in this forum 'What i listen and like is the best music in the world and what you are listening is pure bullshit and you should stop it now and start listening to what i like',thats elitism and please guys i repeat spend some time in checking the meaning of some words before using it,especially when we all people use words here in english which is not our native language 
I never said that EVERYTHING UNDERGROUND is bad and low quality,thats why i tried to be more specific mentioning Dark Psychedelic Trance the way people interpret it in our days and i even tried to describe how this kind of music sounds like.Please check my previous post and you will understand what i mean
Also i never said that my taste is better,that would be elitism since you want to use that word so badly
To sum things up again i will mention what this thread is all about so that we dont confuse things.
I am fed up with people naming their music as underground just because they CANT release it anywhere and they CANT accept the fact that the majority of the trance people dont like it.
Am i clear now about the topic of this thread?
P.S I insisted so much on Dark Psy Trance Music cause the people that make this kind of music (or think they make this kind of music) are the ones that show symptoms of 'Undergroundism' in our days and also have an elitist attitude towards other psy trance styles such as full on.
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DETOX
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 01:02
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Lux you got EXACTLY my point mate.Nice to see we aggree on this thing at least hehe.
H2O i will not continue discussion with you since you are being ironic all the time and dont have time and will to deal with people like you,when you learn how to speak with others without insulting them then we might start talking again about a different topic.
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Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 01:17
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On 2004-12-13 00:58, DETOX wrote:
Spindrift thinking that what other people like is 'bad and low quality' is just an expression of a personal opinion,elitism would be if i said to people in this forum 'What i listen and like is the best music in the world and what you are listening is pure bullshit and you should stop it now and start listening to what i like'
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Ok, then I understand.
It didn't come across to me at first.
So dark psy isn't generally bad and of low quality then?
It's just to hard and roughly mixed for your taste?
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sWa
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 01:21
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Im a bit with detox on this, i like dark trance.
But guys you got to admit that there is a LOT of very bad mixed music out there.
Stuff that is so bad it can give ppl ear cancer 
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DETOX
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 01:32
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Ofcourse dark psy isnt generally bad and of low quality,just like i said before i also like some artists making this kind of music though in general dark music is not my daily cup of tea.Like you said usually its to hard and roughly mixed for my taste
The problem is that many people that try to produce dark music fail to do so and because they cant accept that labels dont release their music and that people dont invite them to play their music at parties they just label their music as underground and try to push it under this umbrella.These people WANT to release music,WANT to get famous,WANT to get booked BUT THEY SIMPLY CANT and thats when they say they are UNDERGROUND.
Better now?
P.S I am sticking with Dark Psy Trance cause i dont see many people making full on or progressive to claim that they make Underground music while the opposite takes place with people that are involved in more night and dark music.
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 01:48
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On 2004-12-12 14:30, _Vanessa_ wrote:
to me the underground music are those not not well known one...
The difference I see betwenn the underground scene and the overground one is simple:
the underground is dreaming of reaching a certain level of profissionalism, they will do everything with more feeling on it...
while the overground ones are gonna have to find inspiration somehow to use all they know how to it, and sometimes they will think it is not worth spending so much energy to it...
Generally speaking
underground: better feeling (always cheaper)
overground: better sound (quiet expensive)
I need both!
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i totaly agree with vanessa this was the best definition of underground and "not underground" i just want to reforce the ideia of generally speacking |
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HandA
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 01:53
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On 2004-12-13 01:21, sWa wrote:
Im a bit with detox on this, i like dark trance.
But guys you got to admit that there is a LOT of very bad mixed music out there.
Stuff that is so bad it can give ppl ear cancer
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The same goes for a lot of crappy Full On.... Sometimes good sound quality - BUT boring music heard a 1.000.000 times before 
And there's a lot boring low quality progressive trance and house too.. and so we can go on and on and on... what's the point? Who really cares... This scene is already dying out and in 10 years we'll see something new.. Advice: Listen to what you like no matter what genre it is and let people listen to what they want... it's much easier this way and save a lot of space on these servers |
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slyman604
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 02:02
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"they cant accept that labels dont release their music and that people dont invite them to play their music at parties they just label their music as underground and try to push it under this umbrella.These people WANT to release music,WANT to get famous,WANT to get booked BUT THEY SIMPLY CANT and thats when they say they are UNDERGROUND."
that is the dumbest thing i have ever read. Not all psytrance artist want to be astrix.
Im not hugely into dark psytrance but i respect people for wanting to do something DIFFERENT. It seems like this attitude of "quality" is why so much of the same paint by number psytrance gets released. I guess people with this attitude obviously must not listen to anything made before 2000 as the "quality" on those tracks usually almost always sucks compared to current standards.
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HandA
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 02:02
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On 2004-12-12 14:30, _Vanessa_ wrote:
while the overground ones are gonna have to find inspiration somehow to use all they know how to it |
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ahh come on now.. Just because you release a track or a CD does not make you have and I quote: "know how". There's so many so-called "professional" and HIT artists that does not know the first thing about music arrangement or for that matter personality in their music. They were just lucky (if you consider friends releasing their tracks as luck) that some bedroom wannabe label wanted to release their boring music Even so-called legendary big labels release so much c**p these days. Why? Bcause people have no critical sense these days... as long a track have a rolling bassline and a killar KICK it's a HIT How much know how do you need to make such a track? NONE - just a tracker program in your PC
And just for your enlightment so you can get down to earth again ... No matter what sub or "main" genres you talk about in our scene it's still very much underground compared to the commercial music Industry standard! All artists in this scene are small fish in the sea of real BIG artists out there. |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 02:04
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@detox
Ok, I'm more clear on your point now, and it's not without truth.
But it's not the whole truth either.
I know a few producers who think live sets destroy parties and does not want to stand and make a fake live set for money.
I also know producers that do not agree with the way the music industry works and therefore is not willing to release their material and have refused to do so when approached by labels.
And they ARE underground and not just using it as an excuse for bad production.
I really think that the shlabbaduerst crew means it when they say "we are punk-rock and not fucking toto" with regards to their sound quality. And you can hear that spirit in their music which I personally can appreciate.
Again, have a listen on the radio. A lot of stuff is rougly mixed, not because of lacking skill from the producers but many people find that a rough sound is more alive.
And what about the masses of producers that think that they are not underground and want to make commercially viable trance?
Even if they suceed they are loosers in my eyes.
They should have been making pop if they wanted fame and money.
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 02:56
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The thing is not the bad quality music, its the totaly uncreative shit whatever released or not. boring. boring. boring . boring . until i get my period. |
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sWa
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 03:14
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The same goes for a lot of crappy Full On.... Sometimes good sound quality - BUT boring music heard a 1.000.000 times before
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Let me be clear about something i dont listen to full-on, i dont like it, its to chezzy for me, but you have to admit that full-on got better quality in it, its better produced, better constructed then most of the dark stuff, and if you dont hear that you need to buy yourself some ears
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And there's a lot boring low quality progressive trance and house too..
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Never said the opposite
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Advice: Listen to what you like no matter what genre it is and let people listen to what they want...
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You're talking like if im giving you orders to listen to certain type of music, i have never told somebody in my life what they should listen to, ppl do what they want and thats not the issue here.
Why did you write this anyway, maybe you tihnk you know me ???
Please take some time to reflect on what you wrote, before you push on the submit bouton, next time.
thank you
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Fu Hsi
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 03:32
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Well if we go personal to the Dark Psy, I can say for sure that I am one of the last fans of this genre. That is my personal taste tho.. However I have to admit there is quite a lot of super cool music in this genre and I wont name names, but South African sound is damn ass kicking and so 1 or 2 acts from Israel and for sure some more since there are so many bands u cant know all of them.
But, as it comes to my mind, a person can interprete dark psy trance as random effects coming at u, throbbing bassline and super agressive kick. Break includes almost complete silence usually and then every entry is a damn Killah. UNFORTUNATELY, far too many producers do believe that this is the core of dark psy trance and add to it 148bpm or higher and u get a huge headache to say the least.
I witnessed more than a few parties that I prayed to lord and was so happy that I kinda stopped with the acid few years ago coz if I would hear this mindsplittering shise, I would find my way to mental hospital real soon. And at the same time I was quite sorry for those that had the acid, since there was nothing in the air except pure agression and very high pitched one.
To summ it up I would say the following:
To be a musician, is much more than smoking Chillums saying Bom Shankar and having ohm tattoed on yer arm or whatever. To make music ppl not very far from now almost got themselves to the brink only to develop their geniousness and one day 100 years after they died ppl acknowledged that it was something special. Technology brings a lot of good things with it. But it also bring huge decay, it brings laziness, and I guess it also brings the general attitude that all one has to have to make music is a monster PC and some bongs.
I think some more things are needed to say the least.
And not every one can be a musician. There is much more in this occupation than ppl think.
Sorry for spilling my elitist thoughts here.
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