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Underground=Another Word For Bad Music?
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Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 15:15
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Good production is not good music for me.
And I'm very sad that many of the artists I respected a couple of years ago have been working very hard to please the labels to fit in to their production template.
If it's to polished production it wont sound underground wheather it's released or not.
And for me very little of the releases stuff nowadys have the liveliness in the sound and original inspiration intact.
Or course it's all about taste, but have a listen to the radio and compare that to many full-on artists nowadays.
Britney spears many times have mixes with more edge to them than GMS, and mainstream producers know since a couple of decades that if everything is polished to perfection the listeners ears pretty much fall asleep after a couple of tracks.
At least I do feel the same happening to me when listening thru most of the current releases.
And I do try to find the more rough and creative ones.
But I guess it's a matter of taste and for me what some perceive as perfect sound is just flat and dead.
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Ron Lyner
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 16:44
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i dont see whats underground in this so called "Dark Psy".
you can hear it in every party here in israel and not only one set in a party.
its like the whole party is "dark".
they just want to be underground so they call them self underground.. maybe it just cool to say im underground..
i call it noise... sorry if i offended anyone.
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Dumdubbydu
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 16:58
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Almost agree with Ron Lyner,not completely,I call this horrible noise,not only noise.
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Nomolos(Zenon Rec.)
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 17:14
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Main Entry: un·der·ground
Pronunciation: '&n-d&r-"graund
Function: adjective
1 : being, growing, operating, or situated below the surface of the ground
2 : conducted by secret means
3 a : existing outside the establishment <an underground literary reputation>
*b* : existing outside the purview of tax collectors or statisticians <the underground economy>
4 a : produced or published outside the establishment especially by the avant-garde <underground movies> <underground newspapers>
b : of or relating to the avant-garde underground <an underground moviemaker> <an underground theater>
all our artists are "Underground" under option 3 *b* 
few are Underground according to option 4....
Underground is NOT a Genre!!! it is a Way of life and Concept in self expression in a non Conformist way! damn people are to much in to definitions and less in to enjoying bleeps and screaches!
and Spindrift....I agree with u on many of your points....
Cheers.
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Fu Hsi
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 17:34
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Well Nomolos my dear u took this to other direction... I have no doubt in my heart that u KNOW what underground is and I believe we share the same view of it.
The question or more exactly the subject of the thread as far as I understood was that the whole meaning of 'Underground' became a nice shelter for noisy and mediocre something that hardly can be called music, but very very fast in tempo.
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Nomolos(Zenon Rec.)
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 17:43
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yes Fu Hsi there are more than a few that hide the lack of quality in there art under the 'underground' umbrella(in many art forms...not only music)...i thought that by explaining the meaning of the term...people would be able to decide for them selvs if these artists are 'Underground' or not....
Cheers.
p.s i can see the future....Anak is about to write some words of essence!!! "....or is it???"
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olivier
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 17:44
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On 2004-12-12 12:42, H2O wrote:
How can you treat whole underground music a bad quality music ? Basically underground movement are pioneers of any kind of music genre or followers of it. Underground music seems to be an experimental sub genre of each style whereas artists are in hideout of public. Pink Floyd were underground for many years, then has released their music and shock the world with it. Which means you can't call "dark", underground music because it has large scene with huge number of followers in psy music world.
Do not decide what is bad or not, just stop listen to it. Trust me or not taste of music and feel of quality is personal.
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don't even try to compare pinkfloyd to this fashion of random badmixed and detuned noises ...
taste of music is indeed personnal, quality isn't ... |
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Anak
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 17:47
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i dont really agree in here. on which side i am? on mine basically. the word underground doesnt really exist for me in the psytrance world, because all the psytrance styles are, in comparison with popular music (mtv, radio, charts etc.), underground. "dark trance" (weak and wrong definition imho btw) isnt underground for me at all...look at the topten section. 35 % fullon 35 % dark 30 % prog, chill and others. you can call suomi sound underground maybe, because there are really not much people digging and talking it, and there are only few releases, which doesnt mean the unreleased stuff is too bad to release. most of these "undergroundish" people are just too proud to release anything. there is good, releaseable material at for example mikseri.net and other portals. and i have never seen such people having an attitude against fullon or other styles of trance.
i do have a big problem tho when it comes to the production and sound story. music for me is art in the first place, it's like poetry. an artist is an artist in the first place, not a sound engineer. famous old poets are famous because of the stories they wrote, even though no one could read their terrible hand writing 
what i miss are people who make music instead of tracks. i want songs instead of tunes. strange quality music rocks.
underground music can be bad or good, same as overground music can be both. underground is not another expression for bad music imo, but "overground" sometimes is another word for thinking of being superiour and elitism.
hope you could follow my brainstorm do not take it personally.
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Dark_Dork
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 20:49
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On 2004-12-12 17:44, Side-A wrote:
don't even try to compare pinkfloyd to this fashion of random badmixed and detuned noises ...
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Go listen to Atom Heart Mother... The part in the middle towards the end i think (havent heard it in a while, can't remember...)
Allways remember that music is sound, and sound is the opposite of silence, noise. |
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olivier
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 20:55
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On 2004-12-12 20:05, H2O wrote:
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Quality means subjective feeling we all have. I produce music for six years so i probably know more about quality than you do since you probably not produing so long, THIS IS WRONG TO SAY, right ? Most known sound designers and musicians have different options on same sequence. So quality is subjective.
I define quality as standart that person assign as pass level for something since we different standart changes from person to person.
I don't feel anyone has a power to judge music styles at all, whereas fasts he/she uses are emotional. Moreover to say all "dark" is only a noise means being racist and elitist.
For Pink Floyd, don't like it and don't listen to it so as Detox hates Dark psychedelic. It doesn't means i should come to rock music forum where many Pink Floyd fans to shit on their music because my "dick grows online".
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quality have nothing to do with feelings, quality is a standard ...
for sure u can have different perspective about a mix, but a good mix is a good mix and a bad mix is a bad mix, no subjective feeling about that, it's mathematics!every sound engineer will tell u that ...u don't need to spend 6 years producing on your computer to understand this ...
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Copyright
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 21:14
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underground shmanderground....
underground or not... so many crap is being release nowadays which is not underground so whats the metter...
quality.... what does it worth if the music itself is low...
and what is quality anyway?
i think that the sad part is that labels releasing crapy underground music but then its not so underground anymore....
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olivier
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 21:21
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On 2004-12-12 21:11, H2O wrote:
Do you argue with yourself? So don't take it personal.
You agree with me that everyone has his own perspective on quality while you disargee quality is feeling(emotional) factor different from person to person.
If sound engineer would treat sound design as mathematics you would hear functions prolly.
Buttom line you know what is quality better i won't argue with you.
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be happy ,beside the fact that u didn't understood what i said and u put your words in my mouth , your online-dick got 2 gygabyte bigger 
it was a pleasure to discuss with you, so nice and humble !
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volvox box
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 21:44
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Why are people always defining things? At least do not put individual definitions over other people;s headz, or else it goes to -> conflict. Keep individual definitions for yourself.
Visiting this forum will give me Sociologic Master Degree.
Enjoy the No Point World!
Btw there are higher insitutions which professionally define things and put it over other peoplez headz, but they get paid for it, and here you dont. |
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Justin Chaos
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Posted: Dec 12, 2004
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On 2004-12-12 21:44, volvox box wrote:
but they get paid for it, and here you dont.
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Really???
Fuck man...what about those checks that I'm waiting for???
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DETOX
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 23:38
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H2O and KakoOlalaJwal we are talking about PSYCHEDELIC TRANCE here so mentioning Pink Floyd and Tricky is a wrong example under any circumstances,try to focus on the small psychedelic trance world.
I dont like what people in our days call Dark Psychedelic Trance and i even hate it when next to Dark Psychedelic Trance they add the term Underground.And to know about what we are talking about here when i mention dark psy trance i mean very fast bpm music with no melodies in it,high frequencies sound fx all over and usually low quality production that gives you a headache if you listen to this music for more than 20 minutes using headphones.You can find this music all around the internet and it usually comes from artists from places like India,Portugal,Scandinavia and Russia.Trying to find this music on released cd's is very rare and if you find it then it is mostly on new and very small labels sometimes even with local character meaning that a release by this label includes 10 tracks by 3-4 artists that are also friends with each other.If you are looking for certain artists then just search around the forum for people who produce music and use in every post that they make the words 'underground','twisted','killer' and words like this.
I like dark psy trance but in this category for me i include artists like Sandman,Psyside and sometimes even X Dream and Synthetic mostly with their older releases that have also psy tech touches.
Like Fu Hsi said the meaning of the word Underground has become today a nice shelter and umbrella for noisy and mediocre something that hardly can be called music,all that wrapped in very fast tempo all the time ofcourse.
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