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DETOX
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 01:19
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Was speaking with an artist friend of mine today and we were talking about this new trend of most of the artists (mostly new artists that cant release anything anywhere) naming their music underground trance.
He said to me that in our days underground is another word for bad and low quality music and suddenly i found myself 100% with his words.
I mean i see so many artists in our days producing really bad music that i cant even call trance and they label it as underground dark trance and are so proud of it because they feel like a special mystic part of the psy trance scene and even have an attitude towards all the other psy trance styles,especially full on.
Does anynone share the same thoughts like me out there or is it just me that is fed up with this situation?
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daniel duarte
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 01:33
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Yeah, totally...
They can call it whatever they want, but for me the essencial is respecting the other genres and other people. And this usually just doesn't happen.
What happened to the open minded people who yust to go and have fun at partys? Today its all groups.. many of them go to the party for a specific genre.
Im personally sick of new artists who dont have a minimum respect for the others. I know some that started producing months ago and that already developed the well known superiority complex. What they do is right, the rest of the world is wrong.. and they'll proove it with killer random saw shape sounds. |
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rich
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 01:41
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Isn't the professional definition of 'underground': unsigned by a major label?
And, as we've seen in every other music genre, the underground of today is the mainstream of tomorrow, so... in that respect, who cares. they'll be selling out soon enough. haha
in all seriousness, I do think artists who aren't signed (and think they aren't signed because their music is too abrasive for most) call themselves undergound is kind of a cop out. it's a sissy way of representing their music. If they truly felt good about it and believed in it they wouldn't call it 'underground' to give it an aura or a mystic sense to it. they would let it just speak for itself. No labels.
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slyman604
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 01:56
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who are some of the artist you are talking about?
I would consider some of GOW to be "underground", even stuff that is released.
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 02:05
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I always thought 'underground' meant the studio was located in a basement. usually filled with sour pot smoke, empty beer bottles, and overflowing ashtrays....
Once the artist earns enough money to move upstairs, the music is no longer 'underground.'
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Kaleidoscope
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 02:59
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On 2004-12-12 02:05, DiMiTry wrote:
I always thought 'underground' meant the studio was located in a basement. usually filled with sour pot smoke, empty beer bottles, and overflowing ashtrays....
Once the artist earns enough money to move upstairs, the music is no longer 'underground.'
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i like this defenition man!
this is a funny one! 
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Dark_Dork
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 03:33
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The way i see it, never listen to people who give themselves titles... whether underground or anything else.
(So please leave the term "Underground" out of it)
A title is a thing you get, not decide yourself...
I agree about the superiority complex, but it shouldnt be associated only with the "Dark Underground Killahs". This attitude has no place in the Psytrance scene in my opinion.
But i haven't seen too much of it myself...
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BrettFromTibet
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 04:21
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DETOX: i agree here!
and yes, I notice a lot of bad attitude towards folks who enjoy well-produced psychedelic Full-on from these 'underground' people (who like and produce noisy dark stuff and are NEVER booked outside their country)
(relatively) hardcore lysergic music that is slick and destroys trance floors around the world is always snubbed as "fluff" and "pop"... and somehow to be derided... like it's in the same boat as Brittney Spears or Hilary Duff.
i understand and respect that people have different tastes in sound... but i don't care for the attitude and divison of the scene that seems to come with it...
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movek
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 04:52
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On 2004-12-12 01:19, DETOX wrote:
Was speaking with an artist friend of mine today and we were talking about this new trend of most of the artists (mostly new artists that cant release anything anywhere) naming their music underground trance.
He said to me that in our days underground is another word for bad and low quality music and suddenly i found myself 100% with his words.
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I don't like either these 'dark' called trance tunes
I thing that music has to have colours and light
I agree with that ...but...
the reason that new artist cannot rellease their tunes isn't that their music isn't good allways.
Managers,labels policy,connections and thinks like these make good music left aside sometimes.
The point is to listen to released and unrealesed stuff,and then to choose with your personal taste and experience what you like
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furthur
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 07:04
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Whether or not you like dark trance or not is one issue, whether or not all of it is of low quality is completely another. It is simply not true; granted, sometimes (well, often) by trying to make their music more "twisted", producers will throw too much in there, the sound will end up being murky and not that clear. However, quite a few of so-called dark producers have very high quality releases. On another note, the mere fact that a track's sound is crispy clear will not make it interesting in the least, imho.
To movek, how the hell are we supposed to listen to unreleased as well as released material, unless we are the few that get promos from labels?
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movek
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 08:03
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On 2004-12-12 07:04, furthur wrote:
To movek, how the hell are we supposed to listen to unreleased as well as released material, unless we are the few that get promos from labels?
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easy...download them from users that have it 
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blueOrb
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 11:22
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 14:14
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On 2004-12-12 01:19, DETOX wrote:
I mean i see so many artists in our days producing really bad music that i cant even call trance and they label it as underground dark trance and are so proud of it because they feel like a special mystic part of the psy trance scene and even have an attitude towards all the other psy trance styles,especially full on. |
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That is something that have been bugging me lately, the bad attitude towards fullon. Doesn't matter if it's good or bad.
And just like you said, they produce this new popular dark twisted angry psytrance and feel proud, and all the other psytrance is like they say in swedish "SpyTrance" (Puke-Trance), or fluff trance.
Sure, it's great to have your own taste and your own oppinions about different psy styles, but why this dissing and grouping.
As H2O said, do not decide what is bad or not, just stop listen to it. |
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_Vanessa_
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 14:30
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to me the underground music are those not not well known one...
The difference I see betwenn the underground scene and the overground one is simple:
the underground is dreaming of reaching a certain level of profissionalism, they will do everything with more feeling on it...
while the overground ones are gonna have to find inspiration somehow to use all they know how to it, and sometimes they will think it is not worth spending so much energy to it...
Generally speaking
underground: better feeling (always cheaper)
overground: better sound (quiet expensive)
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 15:10
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I'm with H20, I don't really see the direct connection between 'making dark sounds' and 'being underground'...
Tricky makes really dark music (an example between many) and he is known world wide...
I'll even add that he sells a lot and still don't have such a superiority complex that you mention.. He's a very special person but not showing off..
I do believe that you Detox don't especially like this music and are looking for "material" to confirm your opinion..
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