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underground alternative to royalty organisations - what do you think?

deejayridoo
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Posted : Feb 25, 2005 19:45
due to the never ending mp3 hassle i´m reflecting on the situation of underground psychedelic music and its future. i´m thinking of people organising (internet-) networks to support good innovative artists independently from mainstream labels and distributions....
maybe it´s a bit naive, but what would you think about a sort of association which collects donations based on the trust in the responsibility of the beautiful people of the psychedelic culture and then pays off to every registered psy artist individually.
doing this the scene could create its independent structure and leave behind royalty organisations that do not suit underground cultures like the psychedelic (amount of radioplay as the basic figure for paying off is stupid for us!).
sth. like either people pay a certain amount of money they think is adequate for a special band or artist or generally for copied or downloaded music (or graphics or whatever). in the second case the organisation could pay off once a year the collective donations or sth like that.
and the supporters could get a badge
that would be a sort of alternative royalty organisation based on maturity of the audience to support it´s likeminded friends, beloved artists, organisations etc.

i wish that the psychedelic culture will display a new way to think, communicate and act as avantgard for our postmodern global village - universal responsibility, social evolution and compassion.
peace
Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 25, 2005 21:09
It would sure be nice since the established royalty organisations have very disadvantageous spread on the money for underground artists.

The problem is with monitoring when works get played on parties, radio stations/broadcasts them etc.
I think it might be a bit to large operation the trance scene to create and maintain on their own.

There is a couple of alteratives which can be interesting if they take off though:
http://www.kokopellinetworks.com/solutions/authorize/
http://www.eff.org/share/collective_lic_wp.php

The kokopelli system is not really about preformancve royalties, but interesting effort that could be great for smaller labels since it would give you free distribution and let people get the music the way they are mostly used to now.

The borders between mechanical royalty and performance royalty is getting a bit blurred as filesharing becomes more like the radio of the future, so a system where people pay for being able to do filesharing legally could be a good idea to both get the sales and preformance royalties the artists deserve.

I think the ideal system would be if filesharing programs had a function to donate the amount you can for downloads you liked.
Maybe utopic, but I do think that would encrease the incentive to pay for what you get via filesharing.
If you force people to pay a fixed amount people will use the filesharing software where it's free and you get to hear the full track before you pay instead, but if the option is there to donate people will do sometimes I think.           (``·.¸(``·.¸(``·.¸¸.·`´)¸.·`´)¸.·`´)
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slyman604
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Posted : Feb 26, 2005 18:41
it would be great if there was a p2p with something you click on to donate directly to an artist paypal account or whatever.
i think the biggest problem with this though is it would be so ripe for fraud.
how to verify that someone opening a paypal account with simonp@shpongle.com is not an imposter who would just be making money off someone elses music donations.
I really think the most sense would be for recdord label websites to accept that mp3 trading will occur and there is no way to stop it and setup donation accounts on their website. Maybe you download a track and dont like it enough to listen to it more than a few times so dont buy the album. Maybe there was one section in the track though that was interesting enough to warrant a donation of 25 cents so you go to the website and donate a quarter. it doesnt cost anything to setup or send money with paypal.
the mentality just seems to be stuck to much in an all or nothing mindset, "buy my album for 15 bucks or be a prick and download the album for free where i get nothing".
that needs to change because its just stupid and ignorant of reality.
deejayridoo
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Posted : Feb 27, 2005 01:57
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On 2005-02-26 18:41, slyman604 wrote:

the mentality just seems to be stuck to much in an all or nothing mindset, "buy my album for 15 bucks or be a prick and download the album for free where i get nothing".
that needs to change because its just stupid and ignorant of reality.




exactly. this is stupid!
why should we follow the rules of an entirely different environment (mainstream entertainment culture industry with its lawyers and institutions like the royalty organisations) and not create our own?
and simply enable the customer of creative works to only pay, as you said, the personal choice of tracks and not the compilation of someone elese with music you wouldn´t buy if it was not on the release.

nice points, spindrift and slyman604
direct donations integrated in p2p networks or donations directly onto a website by paypal.

anyone elese?
come on people, this is obviously an important topic (considering the great number of threads concerning mp3 piracy) and i wish we bring in as many ideas as possible in order to create our own reality instead of complaining all the time about the lack of balance between "give and get"
Hg
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Posted : Feb 27, 2005 06:28
not being pessimistic here... please don't take it that way.

but afaik ideas too are in excess in the world... still, if we cut down and deal only with the ones that are "reasonable" there would be an excess.

ok, this is definatly an important topic! you have a "reasonable" cloud. So what?

In reality, this bussiness --of course psytrance is a bussiness, but not only a bussiness and for some it's only leisure-- is music industry! Mate, if ever want to MAKE such thing first thing is not be amateur, there are at least 10 independent variables to deal with before making an attempt to effectively change something. Ok, i think i'm being amateur here because you must know all that....

anyway, if ever one have a concrete project, and i mean a serious one, with respect to, let's say, an evolution of our scene, i would be the first one interested in supporting and helping that project with everything i can.

but, unfortunately, it's hard to find anything worthy but my own projects.

all the best for everyone in this quest!

thanks for sharing your thoughts and ideas.... believe and make something real now!

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MARGHERITA
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Posted : Mar 6, 2005 14:12
:quote:
deejayridoo wrote:

but what would you think about a sort of association which collects donations based on the trust in the responsibility of the beautiful people of the psychedelic culture and then pays off to every registered psy artist individually
:quote:

hope is a good vibe but, babylon strike back everytime.


my little experience whit royalties in switzerland :

i receive royalties from the swiss radios for any music composed by myself. I register the tracks @ SUISA.
But is hard to say when, who put on the air my tracks.

Your idea deejayridoo is VERY GOOD but hard to doo,
a few "psy" managers make a control for our artists but is not the rule.
The big psy events in swiss are cotroled by SUISA & the promoters pay the royalties, but, when you not are register into SUISA, you dont touch any money from this royalties....

So, the nationals offices for royalties are very good for make your personal control, this work take time & is not very intresting for a artist, but, he pay you some $€£

See what hapen in the future.

peace

PS:
P2P is very good for research culture, but is not a art shop guys.
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