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Ultrabeat : making a psy kick from scratch

PsyGalaXy
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Posted : Aug 21, 2010 16:49:34

hi guys, on the wave of the logic production topic i pourpose to put here all suggestions regarding ultrabeat

so i'm sick of using the same samples and the envelopes on board of exs24 doesn't satisfate me at 100%,let's try u.b.

here's a *poor* attempt to a psykick

http://www.sendspace.com/file/jvnz5v

i used the PHASE OSC on the bottom and modulation fro the FM in top left

i'm sure tuning is the key , and in the time i was trying i noticed that ASYM faders gotta be kept at very low level to avoid the "too much note"

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PoM
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Posted : Aug 21, 2010 17:06

hey man thanks i will upload some es2 kicks dunno why but i like more es2 for now , envelop curves have lot of punch , it dont break and have incredible snap ,sound is very close to ultrabeat but ub miss a second envelop for the pitch imo or maybe i havent find it yet ? hehe

PoM
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Posted : Aug 21, 2010 17:23

the preset you uploaded ask for a sample ? can t open it

http://dl.free.fr/gocdwEn17
for es2 , midi note used was G1 - 1/16 long at a145 bpm .

nothing special kick not great but good enought, typical es2 kicks i heard used in some full on tracks but it need processing
you can get lot more punch on these kick with compression ,sometimes i m like wow wtf when i bypass the comp and put it back on hehe also some eq is needed

i tweaked es2 with a processing chain comp + eq behind so maybe it sound crap on his own , have no idea

if you make it better on the es2 ( it can get better for sure i just tweaked a bit to make a template ) be sure to share it back dont be a mohterfucker hehe

PsyGalaXy
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Posted : Aug 21, 2010 17:43

sorry i forgot, is a ultrabeat preset, open a new instance & load from the bar menu on top "load settings"

here's bounced a 4 bar loop
http://www.sendspace.com/file/yy8h6w

later i'll bounce to audio, effectively isn't that simple to open logic to listen the sample

i've never taught about es2 for Kicks, tomorrow it's trying time ehe

in u.b. there are 4 env but are off by defautl
you have to click the little blue "OFF" on the side of the ASYM fader, the set env1 or another

PoM
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Posted : Aug 21, 2010 17:46

i was always working on my kick , pitching some sine and was wondering how some kick was made, i couldnt get them... mine was always a bit more muddy cause of the curve of the pitch bend,if you check some tracks waveform you will see some artist dont even eq their kick in full on or just hp/lp.
when i tried es2 and it gave me almost wasz i was looking for in no time , best kick synth to me by far, it can go so fast from attack to tail that you can have almsot no mud in the medium but it s not everyone taste... maybe these kick are horrible for you hehe but with carefful tweaking and processing they would balst the dancefloor , the sub come so fast you could even make shorter kick than 1/16

PoM
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Posted : Aug 21, 2010 18:08

here you can get a sample i bounced yesterday when working to make a kick so you get a idea of the soun you get, the one i just uploaded is better with less highs and mudd i think. it s not very well balanced it s just you can hear the kick in action ,dont pay attention to the sound quality and bassline it s a template to bounce kicks
http://dl.free.fr/r0b8GoInr

tbh i don t like much your ub kick, no offence it could work great it s all about taste

PsyGalaXy
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Posted : Aug 21, 2010 19:53

whoa, your es2 kick sounds good here on headphones, also like r bassline
yeah i know mine ub kick still sucks, i'm trying to get rid of that "too much note", the punch is there
it needs only to set free

PoM
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Posted : Aug 21, 2010 21:42

it snot mixed i wouldn t use these setting for a track, too much low,too much highs ,it s too bright the balnce is too much in the medium for my taste .
sustain on the es2 is full there is too much body imo and too much highs in teh attack , balance is strange... but play with the preset i posted you can get good kicks wiht some processing, i was playing with cypher for the bassline, it snot really tuned ,i almost put some random notes forgive me for that ,it can be good but don t beat esm imo. (esm seperate in 2 bands to scoop a bit the mids and saturate just the high band can sound so creamy ,love it ,sound 2 times fater than cypher it s even too fat hehe)

for the preset you can try a higher pitch and less envelop modulation on the pitch it work well too and less resonance on the filter ,slower attack for less highs can work too, i would like to get ride of that fucking peak at 2k on the synth itself wihtout equing casue i often eq aroound 1000/2500 on these kicks (in the low too around 100/500 there is some crap that i often eq a bit)

i gonna try with ub it must be great too ,maybe it need less equing with the envelop that are more flexible

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