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Luis M.
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Posted : Oct 1, 2008 04:43:03
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Hi everybody!
I have been out of this forum and my music for a while,just come back and got an issue to solve that hope someone can give me a hand, i have already asked something similar about how to make my own samples which i got very nice feedback(thank you), but this is more related to "how to tune the samples"!
Here it goes:
I have some drum synths that i want to use to export single wave shots like all elements of a drum kit, for example:in most virtual drumkits/samplers... we have a diferent instrument for each key, something that doesn't enable us to to make note changes to a particular instrument.
My question is:
How do i tune stuff, how do you people do to make sure your percussion is in the right key with the music.
This issue is really slowing me down, coz i got very nice percussion in some synths but it is spread out across the keyboard, it won't sound right.
For those of you who use cubase 4, are the "Audio Statistics" reliable ?, everytime i export an instrument in a certain key, i then analize it with this function and it is not in that key,it is usually changing. WEIRD...
Hope someone can live a coment when passing by about this tuning/ root key/ key analyzer stuff...
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sideFXed
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Posted : Oct 1, 2008 05:07
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when I drop things to audio, I mute out many parts so that I can hear the bassline or maybe a lead that defines the key. then I use my ears to get the percussion right. this doesn't work always flawless, so I've picked up this tip that really helped me (maybe it was even here) . Essentially you can try to put mild to strong distortion onto the percussion channel and tune it then... if it sits right, reduce the dist and voila... some finetuning left to be done sometimes - but it works for me.
hopefully this will help ya too 
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vipal
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Posted : Oct 1, 2008 05:21
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i read once that most percussion is white noise without really a key. so an analyzer is useless. so its your ears like sidefx says. |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Oct 1, 2008 09:41
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Percussion is not white noise. You can tune lots of kinds of drums.
Its going to be a bitch automating pitch bend for each hit, but you're gonna have to use your ears to tune the loops. That's what I do as I don't know of any software that tunes drum hits without messing up with the transient too much. Stuff like bongos and congas sound a lot better when you tune them to your bassline.
Kicks you tune as you create.
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Psytec
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Posted : Oct 1, 2008 15:10
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thx for the tips |
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shachar
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Posted : Oct 1, 2008 16:32
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every percussion is different and If youll tune them to the same pitch it will not necessarily sound natural, but dull..
it always good to experiment with different pitches, sometime it helps to get some percussions out in the mix.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Oct 1, 2008 18:30
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Obviously its best not to tune all the percussion hits to the same pitch, it will be like a tune where every synth plays one note. Generally try to fit them in the scale of your track so that in general that you have a "consonant" vibe between the synth parts and the percussion.
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Domi
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Posted : Oct 2, 2008 00:53
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Luis M.
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Posted : Oct 2, 2008 18:31
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Good discussion and tips here!
Ok.,i am sure i can trust my ears to see if the drum kit sunds nice with the song, I'll just export the hits dry in wave format, normalize function to bring them to 0.0 db, remove DC Offset (not really sure of what it does, got to clarify myself...) and open them in a good sampler so i can transpose the "hit" across the keyboard to see in wich "note" sounds better but mainly use my ears... What do you Think pple?
Thanks alot freaks!
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Tomos
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Posted : Oct 2, 2008 19:51
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I would never put a hit in a sampler and map it to the keyboard. I don't see the point. Get it right or as close to rights as you can when choosing hits. They sound totally unnatural with too much tuning.
Unless that's what you're going for..
I'm not saying don't tune, but the tune knob in Battery is good enough. Hits don't need to be spanned across the whole range of the keyboard!
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Nectarios
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Posted : Oct 2, 2008 20:34
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On 2008-10-02 19:51, Tomos wrote:
Get it right or as close to rights as you can when choosing hits. They sound totally unnatural with too much tuning.
Unless that's what you're going for..
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+1. Choosing the best samples for the part in the first place, is the most important thing. As soon as you go past 4-5 semitones, things just start sounding weird so unless that is what you're actually going for, its not much use when you are looking for some natural sounding "earthy" congas in a tune when you have to shift the pitch too much.
Anyhow when all else fails, just bitcrush the motherfucker
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Luis M.
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Posted : Oct 2, 2008 22:12
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Yeah, i see what you both mean, but i put the samples in a sampler using the keyborad, but only for a phew note changes coz i like them to sound natural as you say, some notes will sound really unnatural , i am with you!
Cool!
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Upavas
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Posted : Oct 3, 2008 13:17
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On 2008-10-02 20:34, pipe&slippers wrote:
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On 2008-10-02 19:51, Tomos wrote:
Get it right or as close to rights as you can when choosing hits. They sound totally unnatural with too much tuning.
Unless that's what you're going for..
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+1. Choosing the best samples for the part in the first place, is the most important thing. As soon as you go past 4-5 semitones, things just start sounding weird so unless that is what you're actually going for, its not much use when you are looking for some natural sounding "earthy" congas in a tune when you have to shift the pitch too much.
Anyhow when all else fails, just bitcrush the motherfucker
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True true,
try making your percussion sounds at different tones, you may go for a fifth or a seventh or even a third above your main pitch, that takes care of the problem.
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gutter
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Posted : Oct 3, 2008 16:22
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yeeeeah, bitcrushed-GILLETTE-razor-hats
leave your face fresh and clean 
love them,,no need to tune indeed , just take your shaving foam with, everything else is done by the haaaaaaat - grrrr 
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orgytime
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Posted : Oct 3, 2008 16:51
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little bit OT but i just wonder about eq-ing the hihats...
if i take a original sample, every hihat gots that much mids that i HAVE TO cut the mid freqs... otherwise it would disturb the whole mix.
but! , when i cut the mids, it sounds more unnatural as you said... so im confused now^^
(i lowcut most HH until 3,2 KHZ complete)
cheers
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