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Posted : Apr 3, 2011 18:12
you can look into a analizer and tune it that way.
never used that technics for kicks but i guess it could work too, often drums have a ringing frequency at their "fondamental" that you will hear with sweeping with a eq.(also often drums have random harmonics )
if you make you own kick from scracth to sound good with the bassline it should be in "tune". i think in a kick you need the tail and the attack to sound good with the bass if it s not the case you can still tune or eq.. but i would rather get the kick right from the source first .
try grouping your kick and and bass.. in ableton and then add a brick wall compressor with a low attack and a ratio of one.. to get your kick and bass sounding real tight.. well thats obviously if you think you have the bass you want.. not going to get into tweaking your bass.. tweak and tweak some more!
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Posted : Sep 24, 2011 21:35
in bazzism u can choose the initial and the end freq wave... obviously it wont be exactly like u have set it... BUT u then can use an analizer to help tune the kick..
thats how i do...
somethign that i ve been testin was if the kick will sound better in the bass pitch, or in some other importante note from the SCALE of the track...
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For me a great way to get rid of that excesive energy in bass in its initial stage is to sidechain a ghost kick with your bassline. The trick is to set your ghost kick few ms early. How much depends on your groove and tempo. Then adjust release setting on your compressor so the kick transition to bass is smooth and without any energy peaks or drops. Works great and it really glues the kick n bass so they flow better together.
If you are using cheap speakers you probably have too much low end in bass or even both of them you havnt noticed. That really prevents bass and kick to sound nice together. Use spectrum analyzer and also try matching the level of kick and bass fundamental frequencies.
Another trick I use in a bassline synth patches (and this works really well for dynamic bassline with alot of filter cutoff action). When you open the filter the sound gets brighter and louder so I tend to lower the sound, but when you close it then sounds weak and that ruins the whole kick n bass combo. So try lowering the volume of your osc just a tiny little bit when the filters opens. I normally use the same envelope- but the amount on osc level has to be very, very, very small and obviously in different direction than on filter. That helps to get more uniform level of the whole bass without compression or limiting. The bass is easier to listen and you can then adjust kick much more easily. But as I said this probably wont be needed in more static and faster kbbb basslines but for slower progressive basslines with alot of motion it can help alot.
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Posted : Sep 25, 2011 08:43
Why tune the kick? Why not tune the key of the bass?
If it was me i would try another kick.. eq sidecomp aso..
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In my experience, it's not very important for kick and bass to be tuned to the same root note. It can give a nice flow, but it's not essential. It's more important that the fundamental frequencies of your kick and bass don't interfere with each other. Which means, either cut/notch the fundamental of your bass a bit if you want the kick to be present in the subs. Or, If you want the bass to be deeper than the kick, try to position the fundamental of the kick between the fundamental and first overtone of the bass. Hope you understand what I mean.
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Posted : Sep 25, 2011 15:03
yeah as long as it s sound good it s not important, in some tunes i like the kick bass , exaclty like you describe it, it work well with low bassline note.. but i still like to have the kick more low end engery than the bass for more dynamic in kbbb midi pattern
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this is taken from Amoeba's tutorial site, is a rock tutorial, but i guess it works the same with all types of music, sometimes u hear the blue names overhere telling u to do something, but for me i need to see it and this is a good example
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Posted : Sep 26, 2011 08:29
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On 2011-09-25 14:10, Dv2 wrote:
It's more important that the fundamental frequencies of your kick and bass don't interfere with each other. Which means, either cut/notch the fundamental of your bass a bit if you want the kick to be present in the subs. Or, If you want the bass to be deeper than the kick, try to position the fundamental of the kick between the fundamental and first overtone of the bass. Hope you understand what I mean.
very cool statement.I just would emphasise only the overtones or the fundamental nothing between..expcept of cutting. For instance take (,D) D1-fundamental or root frequency = 36,7081 Hz, an octave above is (D) or in american system D2 which is 73,4162 Hz here is the place for the ultra subs I'd say at least that's how I'm going about it. I want my kick to be dominant so I boost even this frequency a bit maybe 1 dB and at the same time cut in the same area -1 dB in the bassline channel and boost one octave higher @ (d) D = 146,832 Hz. The same place I cut at kick than the same amount of dB's.
Overtones are also very interesting to work with in this example when root frequency is 37 Hz than the first overtone is an octave higher but the second overtone (or the 3rd harmonic) is at 111 Hz which is even a bit lower than D3 at 147 Hz and could be a nice place to emphasisze.
This goes for sure not only for eq..
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Posted : Sep 26, 2011 10:59
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Posted : Sep 26, 2011 20:47
if you want a spectral overlay of the bass and kick output consider using Voxengo SPAN. I find it to be a nice way to visualize what is going on in the low end. Of course, in the end, trust your ears, but for those of us who have ears-in-training, I find it helpful.
This might be a good starting place:
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On 2011-09-26 10:59, ansolas wrote:
A comb filter like EQ which would automatically display (offer, show the curve) of all overtones would be great. Is there something like this ?
