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krunch
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makus
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Pavel
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Transistors are more accurate. Tubes distort the sound and round the edges. Some people would kill for the analog sound, some will think that it's ridiculous.
Classic music recordering engineers adopted the digital technology as soon as it arrived. Pop/Rock recording engineers still prefer recording some instruments via analog circuitry and on analog multi track recorder. There's no truth, all depends on what is the nature of your project and what are your preferences.
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Feb 20, 2006 15:09
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Transistors for their ultra fast attacks, tubes for the harmonic distortion, opto-photo compressors for the clean transients and colouration.
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orange
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Posted : Feb 20, 2006 17:49
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fregle
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Posted : Feb 20, 2006 21:39
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class a all the way!! but it eats electricity and heats up like a motherf***er... |
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vox
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Posted : Feb 20, 2006 23:17
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| "Tubes just sound better than solid state devices - warmer and more musical.
If you want to find out the scientific reasons why, read the classic "Tubes Versus
Transistors - Is There an Audible Difference?", by Russell O. Hamm, Audio Engineering
Society Journal, May 1973, Vol. 21 No. 4 (it’s on the Web a lot of places) and
"The Cool Sound of Tubes" by Eric Barbour in IEEE Spectrum Magazine, August 1998." |
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hm. quite a lot has happened in the past 30 years, i would be careful when faced with those statements........
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sonik_akb
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Posted : Feb 20, 2006 23:44
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On 2006-02-20 23:17, vox wrote:
hm. quite a lot has happened in the past 30 years, i would be careful when faced with those statements........
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As you could read, I got this statement from somewhere, this isn't mine, but I agree with it. Valves and tubes add distortion (harmonics)that are more musical to our ears, and that's not a new statement, but what the electrical engineering talks about.
You could use mathematical models to make EQ, compressors etc. (think URS, Bomb Factory VST plug-ins etc.) and describe the tube's behaviour, but my point is: you can get an imitative amazing sound, but not the same. When you listen what an old Neve/SSL analog console can do, you can agree with this. I really don't like the self-oscilating filter from my Waldorf XT or Supernova 2, and love those on Jupiter and Juno. But I stop here, I'm not going to analog vs. digital discussion. I love both the worlds ;-)
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anill
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Posted : Feb 21, 2006 01:54
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Posted : Feb 21, 2006 08:06
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a very well known producer in psytrance once answered my question by saying that tube compression was wished for warmth and for dynamics.
and also, in a more general way, trance sound will always sound better (for the humain ear) once it went trough a analog circuitry when it leaves the computer. Even on a Mackie 32/8.
the same guy im talkin about even use the Mackie's EQ filter to sweep trough leads INSTEAD of the synth's own filter.
so maybe, im just thinking, maybe the best is a bit of both worlds...
digital for surgery, analog for art
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makus
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Posted : Feb 21, 2006 10:43
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no offense to the author (and to the tubes =) ) but isn't it too subjective to say tubes are better because they are more musical?
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fregle
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Posted : Feb 21, 2006 16:28
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makus, it's like sonik_akb says. But ofcourse this only concerns software that emulates tubes. Tubes will always sound better then they're emulations. And it's a simple fact that EQ's without tubes (or an emulation of the behaviour of the tubes) sound less musical then the ones that do... Maybe they'll find some other way to make those machines sound even better (that's always possible...) but up till now tubes or emulations there-of are the best way we know to make something sound more 'organic' and to make saturation sound good. If ofcourse you don't like saturation and you don't want your sounds to be more organic, then you won't like tubes... |
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Feb 21, 2006 16:48
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Tubes tend to induce predominately even harmonics when saturated whereas some transistor models produce a harsh and less musical sound since they tend to add even and odd harmonics.
But, the problem with tubes is that the budget/mid-range products have low voltage rails, leading to small signal to noise ratios as well as limited parameter control. So you'd have to dig a bit deeper in your pocket in order to get a nice valve compressor/pre.
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krunch
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Posted : Feb 26, 2006 12:28
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